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Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill

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Post by drumhead »

klyrs wrote: post #44
todd3834 wrote: post #30

10 years used to feel like a really long time to me. Now that I have two young kids the idea of missing out on 10 years of their life growing up is in the impossible to handle part of my brain. I feel bad for everyone effected and yes even her.

I have the capacity to feel really bad for her kids. I couldn't care less about the rich investors money she squandered, but as a mother I'm spitting furious that she would bring two children into this world, knowing that she was guilty for the fraud that she stood accused of. She's begged the courts for leniency on behalf of her children, and I really want to believe that she didn't have children for that sole purpo…

If I were being uncharitable, I'd say she had the kids to try and avoid going to jail. If she were a psychopath it's the sort of thing she might pull. On the other hand it may have been the only opportunity to have kids if she knew she was going to go inside for a while, so she maximised her opportunity.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill

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Post by concordDance »

drstewart wrote: post #51
mvdtnz wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do not feel bad for her. Do not even give her a single thought.

It's pretty important to dehumanize and de-empathize with people who offend or break the law. A good justice system and society is built in doling out punishments without reflection or understanding.

Huh, you may be right.

Despite me being pretty sure you're being sarcastic.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill

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Post by latency-guy2 »

a_bonobo wrote: post #63
mnky9800n wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She likely had children because she thought it would make her more sympathetic. Unlikely given how she acts and treats all around her that the children are more than pawns in her game.

Imagine being her child; imagine growing up knowing that in all likelihood, you only exist because your mother wanted to stay out of prison.

Get in line with the billions of other people with unsatisfactory lives.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill

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Post by atoav »

WalterBright wrote: post #75
atoav wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I live the goal of prison is rehabilitation, not the ever greater fulfilment of a christianity-induced punishment fetish (and there are studies that support that the former is more effective at returning you functioning, tax-paying members of society once the sentence is over). So while I agree that in the US white colar criminals tend to suspiciously often get the lighter punishment and that this fact is a gla…

Why shouldn't nonviolent offenders go to a minimum security prison?

Did I say that they should not?

The point based system you have for assigning people to prison types might look fair, but coupled with predictive policing (aka positive feedback) and the police-tendency to let crimes slip for some demographics and not others, it leads to injustice.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill

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Post by Daub »

mathieuh wrote: post #50
todd3834 wrote: post #30

10 years used to feel like a really long time to me. Now that I have two young kids the idea of missing out on 10 years of their life growing up is in the impossible to handle part of my brain. I feel bad for everyone effected and yes even her.

I haven't followed this closely but frankly I feel similarly. I think only people who are violent and dangerous to other people should be locked up, and even then only until they are no longer dangerous. If things can be organised so she is no longer capable of defrauding people (banned from holding certain positions in companies etc.) I don't see why she should be locked up. I'm sure I would feel differently if I ha…

> I think only people who are violent and dangerous to other people should be locked up, and even then only until they are no longer dangerous.

What about people who knowingly allow the blood of cancer patents to be tested using technology which they know does not work?

Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill

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Post by g0ran »

runeks wrote: post #87
g0ran wrote: post #74

> ...pair jointly responsible for repaying $452,047,268 (£361,533,844) to Theranos investors defrauded by the pair. Alright, how do they repay this?

They almost certainly won't.

Yeah, but how does this work once she gets out of prison? A percentage off her paycheck every week 'til she dies?

Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill

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Post by 2-718-281-828 »

WalterBright wrote: post #70
klyrs wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the capacity to feel really bad for her kids. I couldn't care less about the rich investors money she squandered, but as a mother I'm spitting furious that she would bring two children into this world, knowing that she was guilty for the fraud that she stood accused of. She's begged the courts for leniency on behalf of her children, and I really want to believe that she didn't have children for that sole purpo…

One the other hand, if she waited until after prison to have children, she might have been to old to have them.

♬ cry me a ri-iver ... ♬

Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill

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Post by 2-718-281-828 »

mvdtnz wrote: post #45
todd3834 wrote: post #30

10 years used to feel like a really long time to me. Now that I have two young kids the idea of missing out on 10 years of their life growing up is in the impossible to handle part of my brain. I feel bad for everyone effected and yes even her.

Do not feel bad for her. Do not even give her a single thought.

if you focus enough on someones misery you can feel bad for anybody ... even Ted Bundy or Hitler ... but empathy is resource that should be wisely spent and allocated. instead of focusing on people who caused harm to others I can choose to do so for people who didn't. after all compassion isn't working in parallel
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