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A lot of offices are still empty and it's becoming a major risk for the economy

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Re: A lot of offices are still empty and it's becoming a major risk for the economy

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Not coincidentally I've noticed a significant trend of opinion pieces in Bloomberg, WSJ, Fortune, etc. (quite arrogant in tone) consistently attacking remote work from all kinds of angles.

This must be really hurting influential wallets.

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Government funded news wants you to know that our political elite have tired of the Proles not funding their lavish failing city policies. You are to promptly return to office servitude where more taxes can be levied upon you for your frivolous and dangerous driving. What, you do not desire tremendous inconvenience? How selfish you are. All of these under served small business who do fuck all for you will suffer! Think of the chi- economy! Think of the economy!

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How does the “economy” measure the billions of hours that are no longer wasted in commuting? The $millions not wasted on gas? The decrease in pollution? The increased quality of life of millions of remote workers who spend the extra hours working out, doing yoga, preparing healthy meals or spending a bit more time with family? Or, you know, working a bit longer for their employer? If landlords’ profit is the only mea…

I assume you know this already from the way you put the word on scare quotes, but for everyone else: there is no "economy" in a sense that it even can be said to be good or bad. There are only people and transactions (on a spectrum between freely negotiated and forcibly imposed) and the people are either better off or worse off after each transaction. Ideally, everyone involved is better off after a transaction, including bystanders, and no one is coerced into anything, but this standard is not always (or ever?) met.

Anybody who tells you the economy is good or bad is priming you for some other form of propaganda.

Re: A lot of offices are still empty and it's becoming a major risk for the economy

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If all these sky high real estates costs crash, won’t that just mean cheaper real estate? Making it easier to setup new businesses that can capitalise more on their labours, growing the “real” economy instead of handing off their profits to an investor class?

Re: A lot of offices are still empty and it's becoming a major risk for the economy

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Sunk cost fallacy strikes yet again. Seriously "office" and "sunk cost fallacy" are becoming synonymous these days. It is downright embarrassing that they can't even offer a temptations. They don't even to think to suggest something like taking advantage of cheap office space for 'oversized' offices which justify the inconvenience of getting there by having far more than you could fit in a home office.

Re: A lot of offices are still empty and it's becoming a major risk for the economy

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"Society" can't solve anything. The vast majority of our problems are from people trying to solve crap from a top-down perspective - and failing. As others point out just let the markets rebalance. Building bankruptcies were always going to happen - even before the virus many urban areas had out of control office building. I was in the metro DC area for 20 years there were buildings never occupied along the Dulles te…

When you say "let the markets rebalance," do you mean in the way Western governments used to before the Great Depression, say during the 19th and early 20th centuries? Do you realize how horrific the panics of 1818-19, 1825, 1837, 1847, 1857, 1866, 1869, 1873, 1884, 1893, 1896, 1907, 1914 were, in both the US and Europe? And after all those horrific panics, the old systems led to the Great Depression, 1929-1939. Is t…

Right? Won't someone think of the poor billionaires who are going to lose pennies on the dollar in this shitfest? Have we no empathy for the haves?!

Re: A lot of offices are still empty and it's becoming a major risk for the economy

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How does the “economy” measure the billions of hours that are no longer wasted in commuting? The $millions not wasted on gas? The decrease in pollution? The increased quality of life of millions of remote workers who spend the extra hours working out, doing yoga, preparing healthy meals or spending a bit more time with family? Or, you know, working a bit longer for their employer? If landlords’ profit is the only mea…

Excellent point. Seems like NPR is just parrotting Bloomberg on this point and not considering any positive benefits. I keep hearing that in the Pacific Northwest, office buildings are converting into apartments to increase housing supply, but I haven't seen any news organization confirm it. If true, that should be a cause celebree for NPR.

Re: A lot of offices are still empty and it's becoming a major risk for the economy

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It's not "becoming" a major risk. It already is a major risk: * As long-term office leases expire, more tenants are giving notice of non-renewal, because they don't need as much space anymore. * Many office buildings cannot fulfill their monthly debt service obligations if tenant collections drop below ~80% leased, give or take, at the old $/sqft. * Many regional banks are loaded up with loans to office buildings lik…

This is going to sound rough, but who gives a fuck? How is it my obligation to pay money and waste my time sitting in traffic to prop up commercial real estate? Or banks? Local governments... Oh, poor local governments! The future is now and the pandemic showed that it's feasible to do a lot of the work remotely. Companies that jump on it will thrive, the ones that do not will slowly sink.

Exactly. All those ailing businesses must simply relocate to reach their customer base (which obviously sucks, but that's how market economies are supposed to work). Downtown Seattle, for example, has become a shit-hole (open-air drug market, closed businesses, drugged-out vagrants, lack of law enforcement) but that's not _because_ of empty offices; it's just another pull factor for remote work wherever possible. Why risk getting assaulted on a bus or pay for parking?

Re: A lot of offices are still empty and it's becoming a major risk for the economy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to stop propping up the economy and let the natural cycles take hold.

“Natural”? There’s hardly anything natural about markets let alone the economy unless you believe in god’s hand, of course.

It's natural that customer habits change, and that they move around. Brick and mortar businesses need to move to reach their target audience (i.e. to the suburbs, or to non-downtown locations).
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