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Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by duxup »

OskarS wrote: post #15

I always wonder about stories like this what the internal process that lead to this insane overreaction was. At some point, did someone really make the decision "lets send Pinkertons to this guy's house, risking an enormous publicity backlash"? It's easy to blame "the legal department" for stuff like this, but it seems extreme even for the most zealous attorney. My hunch is that they probably have some kind of securi…

I feel bad for the possible guy in the room who said “Guys this seems like a bit much….” and then had to hear the response…

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Post by gnicholas »

I'd be curious to know what exactly these Pinkerton agents said, and if they flashed badges (as other commenters have suggested). My general rule is not to let anyone in who doesn't have a warrant, and I think that still works in light of this kind of tactic. But I hadn't considered the possibility that non-LEOs might fool me/my family into thinking they are LEOs, and that they might not be bound by the same rules regarding tricking someone into letting them enter their home.

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Post by mikestew »

hinkley wrote: post #125
WillPostForFood wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They get away with that kind of crap all the time That's a big claim, can you cite an example or two of Pinkerton kicking down doors an assaulting the residents?

If you want to go back to the Labor movement, the Pinkertons practically committed war crimes. When people say the police evolved from a misanthropic idea of keeping the peace, they are specifically thinking of the Pinkertons as an example. Hired thugs meant to keep those in power in power, not to protect the citizenry.

If you want to go back to the Labor movement...

I do not. I would like an example from within the last, say, 75 years. Regardless, you didn't even cite an example.

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Post by yamtaddle »

philsnow wrote: post #94
lmkg wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and the Pinkertons acted on their own Play Pinkerton games, win Pinkerton prizes. Or, less flippantly: everyone knows who the Pinkertons are and what they do. And the fact that everyone knows is, quite literally, the actual service that they offer. They will do such things without you have to explicitly tell them.

I have literally never heard of this group. "Pinkerton" is the name of a Weezer album as far as I'm concerned.

I doubt most people do know the name. If you're not into westerns and haven't read about the history of the labor movement or of US law enforcement (and they sure as shit don't teach those things in most schools, so you'd have to find it out on your own) you could easily go through life without ever learning who they were/are.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by djbusby »

hinkley wrote: post #124
OkayPhysicist wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> but they could have broken it down In the US, that would be an exceedingly bad idea on the part of the Pinkertons. They don't have the same protections law enforcement has: they are treated legally the same as anybody else, which means that in 38 US states they'd be justifying the homeowners use of deadly force.

I’m shocked the Pinkertons still exist. None of the bigger unions tried to pull strings to get them destroyed for past atrocities against the labor movement?

Unions are big, but Corporate Money is bigger.

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Post by dontlaugh »

hinkley wrote: post #124
OkayPhysicist wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> but they could have broken it down In the US, that would be an exceedingly bad idea on the part of the Pinkertons. They don't have the same protections law enforcement has: they are treated legally the same as anybody else, which means that in 38 US states they'd be justifying the homeowners use of deadly force.

I’m shocked the Pinkertons still exist. None of the bigger unions tried to pull strings to get them destroyed for past atrocities against the labor movement?

Unions sadly have little power, especially in the US.

That may be starting to change, though.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by r00fus »

stale2002 wrote: post #63
Throw73849 wrote: post #32

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You ask them to leave, they do not... Unless the "security" recorded and streamed everything into cloud, very difficult to prove.

No, actually. You cannot just shoot someone who is standing outside your doorway, And claim that they were trying to break in. You would go to jail.

Have you heard of the castle doctrine [1]? It's resulted in some really crazy (and imho horrible) situations where private citizens are allowed to use deadly force and literally murder people in cold blood.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

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Post by George83728 »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #30
PointA2B wrote: post #23

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He could've closed the door in their faces and there would be nothing they could do about it. The company relied on theatrics and false threats to get back a legitimately purchased product.

Could've, but theatrics are used because it's effective. A surprise morning visit by professional intimidators arguing that you "do what we say or you might spend the next decade in jail" can override a lot of logical reasoning.

Particularly when your SO is becoming upset about it. What's more important, some cards that you hadn't intended to purchase in the first place, or the mental well-being of your wife?

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Post by danesparza »

ldoughty wrote: post #10

Sounds like the buyer should have ASKED for the sheriff.... Private police threatening fines and jail time? Let them say that with law enforcement around for any follow up lawsuit. A purchase was made and the wrong product arrived at his door.. the seller had legitimate reason to have the product, but broke a street date... The customer did not ask for unreleased product... Sounds like the dealer is at fault, but not…

Please please PLEASE call 911 the next time this happens. This is an extra-judicial shakedown. There are consequences for idiots who pretend to be police like this.

They would be the ones going to jail if this person had called 911.

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Post by yamtaddle »

ars wrote: post #80
klyrs wrote: post #52

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Try not to get your news from social media. What you wrote isn't actually true.

I get my views on the police from the news and from observing them and hearing stories about them from relatives and friends, some of whom have worked with police or in other parts of the justice system.

My conclusion, after years and years of all that, is that you should only call them if you'd rather end up beaten and cuffed and facing charges, with a bunch of your shit broken and/or stolen, than let whatever's happening now keep happening. Bringing them into a situation comes with a serious risk of "now you have two problems". For lesser non-emergency stuff, they're not gonna do jack-shit except give you a report for insurance (and charge you money for it), so, do get in touch if you need that, but don't expect anything more from them, because you won't get it.

I also treat them as the most dangerous drivers on the road. From what I've seen of their driving, they're up there with a teenager in a sportscar who's simultaneously applying makeup and texting. Except that sometimes when they do something dangerous and stupid, you get a ticket (seen it happen).

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