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Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by slowmovintarget »

klyrs wrote: post #104
ars wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try not to get your news from social media. What you wrote isn't actually true.

I get my news from quite a few sources. But you're here on a social media site devoted to sharing news, commenting on a news article. Are you not getting your news from social media right here, right now? What I wrote is entirely true, I didn't say that a threat to call the cops is %100 guarantee to shoot somebody. I said that there's a nonzero probability. SWATting, for example, has killed several people who did not…

This is a forum, not social media. There's no network nonsense and algorithm pushes here.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

midjji wrote: post #77
PointA2B wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He could've closed the door in their faces and there would be nothing they could do about it. The company relied on theatrics and false threats to get back a legitimately purchased product.

Perhaps, but they could have broken it down, assaulted them, then claimed that they were violent. They get away with that kind of crap all the time, because mostly, they do this to criminals, and are friends with the local police. Sometimes they get caught, usually for things like shooting a dog that was chained and far out of reach, or because someone had it on video, but these thugs are the kind of people who got r…

>> but they could have broken it down

In the US, that would be an exceedingly bad idea on the part of the Pinkertons. They don't have the same protections law enforcement has: they are treated legally the same as anybody else, which means that in 38 US states they'd be justifying the homeowners use of deadly force.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by Root_Denied »

philsnow wrote: post #101
ldoughty wrote: post #10

Sounds like the buyer should have ASKED for the sheriff.... Private police threatening fines and jail time? Let them say that with law enforcement around for any follow up lawsuit. A purchase was made and the wrong product arrived at his door.. the seller had legitimate reason to have the product, but broke a street date... The customer did not ask for unreleased product... Sounds like the dealer is at fault, but not…

> Do card dealers not own their inventory before a street date? (And, therefore, sold product that was not his?) (Vs. breach of contract) This is the key question. Almost all the comments in this story are on 1) WotC are jerks for sending Pinks, 2a) the guy shouldn't have given them the product, 2b) if Pinks showed up at your door you'd do it too, ... but if it is indeed the case that dealers don't own pre-release Wo…

If the dealers don't own pre-release products then it becomes messy for the courts, police, and lawyers.

There's no world in which Pinkertons (or anyone acting similarly in a private-enterprise fashion) should have ever been involved regardless of the legal owners of the product.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by orange_joe »

philsnow wrote: post #94
lmkg wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and the Pinkertons acted on their own Play Pinkerton games, win Pinkerton prizes. Or, less flippantly: everyone knows who the Pinkertons are and what they do. And the fact that everyone knows is, quite literally, the actual service that they offer. They will do such things without you have to explicitly tell them.

I have literally never heard of this group. "Pinkerton" is the name of a Weezer album as far as I'm concerned.

They have an outright ominous reputation from their historical involvement in violently suppressing the labor movement in the US. Because they’re still corporate security, they’ve kept this reputation as corporate goons for hire.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by WillPostForFood »

midjji wrote: post #77
PointA2B wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He could've closed the door in their faces and there would be nothing they could do about it. The company relied on theatrics and false threats to get back a legitimately purchased product.

Perhaps, but they could have broken it down, assaulted them, then claimed that they were violent. They get away with that kind of crap all the time, because mostly, they do this to criminals, and are friends with the local police. Sometimes they get caught, usually for things like shooting a dog that was chained and far out of reach, or because someone had it on video, but these thugs are the kind of people who got r…

They get away with that kind of crap all the time

That's a big claim, can you cite an example or two of Pinkerton kicking down doors an assaulting the residents?

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

philsnow wrote: post #94
lmkg wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and the Pinkertons acted on their own Play Pinkerton games, win Pinkerton prizes. Or, less flippantly: everyone knows who the Pinkertons are and what they do. And the fact that everyone knows is, quite literally, the actual service that they offer. They will do such things without you have to explicitly tell them.

I have literally never heard of this group. "Pinkerton" is the name of a Weezer album as far as I'm concerned.

You should probably read up on some history. They have played a pivotal role (as the antagonists) in the labor movement in the United States. They were involved in some of the largest insurrections after the Civil War. Their name is scattered throughout American history, and not for their good deeds.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by klyrs »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #111
klyrs wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get my news from quite a few sources. But you're here on a social media site devoted to sharing news, commenting on a news article. Are you not getting your news from social media right here, right now? What I wrote is entirely true, I didn't say that a threat to call the cops is %100 guarantee to shoot somebody. I said that there's a nonzero probability. SWATting, for example, has killed several people who did not…

This is a forum, not social media. There's no network nonsense and algorithm pushes here.

Agree to disagree; forums are social media. Traditional forum software is purely temporal ranking (latest-comment-first) plus pinned posts. HN uses a ranking algorithm based on engagement, plus ads.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by Workaccount2 »

PointA2B wrote: post #23
ldoughty wrote: post #10

Sounds like the buyer should have ASKED for the sheriff.... Private police threatening fines and jail time? Let them say that with law enforcement around for any follow up lawsuit. A purchase was made and the wrong product arrived at his door.. the seller had legitimate reason to have the product, but broke a street date... The customer did not ask for unreleased product... Sounds like the dealer is at fault, but not…

He could've closed the door in their faces and there would be nothing they could do about it. The company relied on theatrics and false threats to get back a legitimately purchased product.

*Closed the door and then called the police to report trespassing.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by phpisthebest »

mindslight wrote: post #99
phpisthebest wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>But rational analysis is sorely absent when an armed gang shows up at your door demanding something and threatening more violence if you don't comply. That is why my standing policy is to never answer the door unless I am expecting someone. Even for package delivery I have a table for them to leave the package on. >>Whereas what really needs to happen is for various aggressor parties to be legally restrained from u…

> That is why my standing policy is to never answer the door unless Sure. "Standing policy" implies that you've spent a bunch of time thinking it out, presumably thinking about the corner cases (police are there and they aren't leaving), and also concluding that you're willing to forgo answering the door in times it would have been beneficial. That's all work and preparation that you're taking for granted, that frank…

>> the corner cases (police are there and they aren't leaving),

That would imply they have a warrant which most likely means they have already busted down the door negating my policy in the first place.

>>and also concluding that you're willing to forgo answering the door in times it would have been beneficial

Such as? I have been doing this avoidance for 20 years in multiple locations, never been an issue so far.

>> If physical security is one of your hobbies that is fantastic. But it's wrong to assert that it's universal.

I dont think I asserted anything of the sort, pretty sure I implicitly said "I have a policy" not that others do or should.

That said outsourcing your personal security is the path to becoming a victim, when seconds count the police are minutes away

>Rather, how about a simple misdemeanor law that prohibits the bringing firearms onto someone else's residential real estate, unless a sign is posted that explicitly allowed it?

I am not sure what your antigun stance has to do with this story? There is no indication that the persons were armed, brandished any firearms or threaten the use of violence at all. They knocked on the door, said there were there to collect stolen property and if the home owner did not comply they would alert the police which could result in the homeowner being arrested. That threat of using state violence violence is a problem, but nothing you have stated here would prevent that.

Nor am I clear how your proposes law would even be enforced, or is applicable to this situation. It is clear you just anti-gun and likely anti-self defense in general and instead believes only the state should have that power... which is ironic as you likely are anti-police and pro "defund the police"

>>Breonna Taylor.

I was betting it was going to be that or Rittenhouse. Both of which have soo much disinformation spread about the cases that is hard to have a rational conversation about those events online.

The real solution to Breonna Taylor type situations is reform warrant policies and require the police to use the least confrontational means to effect the warrant, instead today police purposefully make the situations more dangerous IMO as a form a "street justice" but again that is not relevant to this situation as nothing even remotely like the events in Breonna Taylor happened here

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by phyllistine »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #35
bugglebeetle wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You’re downvoted but police have prolific recorded history of this vs the reverse. It’s not ideology it’s material reality

I love HN but the demographics of the users makes them more likely to assume the cops will do the correct action, when that does not always play out.
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