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Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by philsnow »

ldoughty wrote: post #10

Sounds like the buyer should have ASKED for the sheriff.... Private police threatening fines and jail time? Let them say that with law enforcement around for any follow up lawsuit. A purchase was made and the wrong product arrived at his door.. the seller had legitimate reason to have the product, but broke a street date... The customer did not ask for unreleased product... Sounds like the dealer is at fault, but not…

> Do card dealers not own their inventory before a street date? (And, therefore, sold product that was not his?) (Vs. breach of contract)

This is the key question. Almost all the comments in this story are on 1) WotC are jerks for sending Pinks, 2a) the guy shouldn't have given them the product, 2b) if Pinks showed up at your door you'd do it too,

... but if it is indeed the case that dealers don't own pre-release WotC products before the release date, then it goes from open-and-shut "he was within his rights to keep the cards forever" to something more messy.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by rightbyte »

Throw73849 wrote: post #70
stale2002 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, actually. You cannot just shoot someone who is standing outside your doorway, And claim that they were trying to break in. You would go to jail.

Whatever. Coming into someones house to make threats is very stupid idea. One day I came into my kitchen, there is my wife crying, and three big threating guys I do not know. I ask them to leave, instead of heading to door, they are aggressive and surround me. What do you thing is going to happen?

> I ask them to leave, instead of heading to door, they are aggressive and surround me. What do you thing is going to happen?

You better hope they are not actually aggressive? How are you getting out of this scenario other than being submissive or hoping they are "nice".

There are so many Clint Eastwoods in this thread.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by InitialLastName »

ars wrote: post #80
klyrs wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Try not to get your news from social media. What you wrote isn't actually true.

Notoriety is in the eye of the beholder. It doesn't matter whether the police are _actually_ trigger-happy; as long as they have a reputation for excessive use of violence, a threat to involve them is a perceived threat of violence.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by klyrs »

ars wrote: post #80
klyrs wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Try not to get your news from social media. What you wrote isn't actually true.

I get my news from quite a few sources. But you're here on a social media site devoted to sharing news, commenting on a news article. Are you not getting your news from social media right here, right now?

What I wrote is entirely true, I didn't say that a threat to call the cops is %100 guarantee to shoot somebody. I said that there's a nonzero probability. SWATting, for example, has killed several people who did nothing wrong.

Personal experience: I've had a gun pulled on me a couple times while un-armed and non-threatening. Most amusing one: got pulled over for expired tabs and had a boffer sword (not even remotely realistic looking, mostly red duct tape) in my back seat.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by ivalm »

Throw73849 wrote: post #70
stale2002 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, actually. You cannot just shoot someone who is standing outside your doorway, And claim that they were trying to break in. You would go to jail.

Whatever. Coming into someones house to make threats is very stupid idea. One day I came into my kitchen, there is my wife crying, and three big threating guys I do not know. I ask them to leave, instead of heading to door, they are aggressive and surround me. What do you thing is going to happen?

If you try anything violent they will kill you and claim self defence. Maybe they win the court case maybe they won’t but you will be dead.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by gabereiser »

setr wrote: post #97
philsnow wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you had a squad of paramilitary at your door, and you were the typical magic player, you’d give them the keys if they asked I haven't played MtG since the 90s, so I'm maybe not clued in on what a "typical magic player" is, but I would expect them to be pretty rules-lawyer-y (both on and off the table) and would stand their ground on principle.

I think most rules-lawyers tend to lose their confidence in the power of those rules when you flip the table and leave… or when you threaten to hit them with a wrench.

Or threaten a 13 year old girl who happens to beat you in round 1 of FNM with her black deck. It’s all fun and games until someone flips a table or punches a child or says some really awful things that make said 13 year old give all her magic cards away.

If real law enforcement (or Pinkertons) showed any sense of legitimacy, the typical MtG player would bow to the authority. Whether it’s in the rule book or “unspoken rules by the venue”.

edit this occurred to my daughter in 2012 at FNM.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by dpedu »

By law, unsolicited merchandise received via mail is yours to keep. I wonder how this will play out in court, if the YouTuber chooses to go that route. I don't see any reason why WOTC wouldn't lose, and lose badly?

https://about.usps.com/publications/pub300a/pub300a_v04_revi...

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by permo-w »

nickthegreek wrote: post #64
permo-w wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the DnD movie was very good. maybe they’re getting overconfident

Apparently not good enough for a sequel though. Kinda sad how good something has to do to be considered successful these days.

I find it more sad that something being good necessitates sequels

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by gabereiser »

jjoonathan wrote: post #78
gabereiser wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is but we also have PI’s. Usually ex-cops or ex-military members with an intelligence angle. These are intimidating people by design. If you had a squad of paramilitary at your door, and you were the typical magic player, you’d give them the keys if they asked.

"By design?" Let's dig into that. Their CV, or non-LEO uniform, or physical size does not give them license to walk into peoples' houses or to threaten to do so. Everyone knows that. Which means they probably made a threat, and if that threat in any way suggested that they represented law enforcement, it should absolutely be illegal and they should be locked up for impersonation.

I’m not saying it does, but agencies have typically hired a certain type of physique and mentality that comes from military service.
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