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That's why it needs to be a crime to impersonate law enforcement. I thought it was already, but here we are.
Is there any indication or evidence anyone impersonated law enforcement?
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Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards
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#72I’d laugh in their faces as I slammed the door.
As would I, but the average person does not have that kind of wherewithal. It is still something we should be concerned about it, as I do not want to live in a world where this is commonplace, and I imagine you wouldn't want to either.
Yeah, people need to start teaching kids about their rights. Otherwise, kids who don't know about the 4th amendment (that you can tell actual police to go away and that's doubly true for rent-a-cops) are going to grow up and keep voting in politicians who'll keep chipping away at our rights more and more
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#73I always wonder about stories like this what the internal process that lead to this insane overreaction was. At some point, did someone really make the decision "lets send Pinkertons to this guy's house, risking an enormous publicity backlash"? It's easy to blame "the legal department" for stuff like this, but it seems extreme even for the most zealous attorney. My hunch is that they probably have some kind of securi…
> My hunch is that they probably have some kind of security contract with the Pinkertons to safeguard secrets, and the Pinkertons acted on their own This is almost certainly the case, but Pinkerton was acting as agents of WotC here, so WotC are the ones ultimately responsible.
For sure. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I was just saying I'm always curious about what the processes are in companies that lead to these disastrous results.
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#74Private security appearing at your door may be intimidating, but it’s not a raid. Threatening someone with fines or jail time, who took receipt of distributed but embargoed product, i.e. by no stretch of the imagination illegal to possess, is the sort of thing you might want to look into legal options for, though.
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I'm surprised these private security goons don't get guns pointed at them more often. As I understand American law it would be legal to shoot them if they refused to leave your property in some states.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Easy to say from your armchair and not when the gestapo are at your door. If thugs appear at my door demanding a $50 item or else , yeah....I will probably just give it to them. See if I can claw it back later. The Pinkerton employees on the other hand, were less cordial to the YouTuber. Cannon told Kotaku over email that they had threatened to get the county sheriff involved if he did not return the MtG cards. They…
> If thugs appear at my door demanding a $50 item or else If thugs appear at my door for any reason, that door gets slammed shut and I'll be on the phone to get the actual police.
Yeah, man, I wish that YouTuber had been you or an "Am I free to go?" style Libertarian
I would have loved to see a video of him slamming the door in some Pinkertons' faces and possibly calling the actual cops
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's why it needs to be a crime to impersonate law enforcement. I thought it was already, but here we are.
Is there any indication or evidence anyone impersonated law enforcement?
I guess it depends what you mean by "impersonate." Are you asking whether they literally claimed to be a police officer? If so, they almost certainly did not. But they probably showed up with a uniform and a brass badge with words like "sergeant" and "national" and "service" on it next to maybe an eagle and a flag, and they probably talked about how the homeowner was in trouble with the law.
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#77Sounds like the buyer should have ASKED for the sheriff.... Private police threatening fines and jail time? Let them say that with law enforcement around for any follow up lawsuit. A purchase was made and the wrong product arrived at his door.. the seller had legitimate reason to have the product, but broke a street date... The customer did not ask for unreleased product... Sounds like the dealer is at fault, but not…
He could've closed the door in their faces and there would be nothing they could do about it. The company relied on theatrics and false threats to get back a legitimately purchased product.
Perhaps, but they could have broken it down, assaulted them, then claimed that they were violent. They get away with that kind of crap all the time, because mostly, they do this to criminals, and are friends with the local police. Sometimes they get caught, usually for things like shooting a dog that was chained and far out of reach, or because someone had it on video, but these thugs are the kind of people who got rejected from or fired from the police, so however incompetent, cowardly, and violent the cops are, these thugs are worse.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's why it needs to be a crime to impersonate law enforcement. I thought it was already, but here we are.
It is but we also have PI’s. Usually ex-cops or ex-military members with an intelligence angle. These are intimidating people by design. If you had a squad of paramilitary at your door, and you were the typical magic player, you’d give them the keys if they asked.
"By design?" Let's dig into that. Their CV, or non-LEO uniform, or physical size does not give them license to walk into peoples' houses or to threaten to do so. Everyone knows that. Which means they probably made a threat, and if that threat in any way suggested that they represented law enforcement, it should absolutely be illegal and they should be locked up for impersonation.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
You ask them to leave, they do not... Unless the "security" recorded and streamed everything into cloud, very difficult to prove.
No, actually. You cannot just shoot someone who is standing outside your doorway, And claim that they were trying to break in. You would go to jail.
More importantly, they are armed, and will shoot you first.
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#80Private security appearing at your door may be intimidating, but it’s not a raid. Threatening someone with fines or jail time, who took receipt of distributed but embargoed product, i.e. by no stretch of the imagination illegal to possess, is the sort of thing you might want to look into legal options for, though.
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Try not to get your news from social media. What you wrote isn't actually true.