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Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by maxerickson »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #81
maxerickson wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'd be less offensive if it were even vaguely true. Lots of guys willing to jump you or slit your throat for a nickel or whatever.

Well, sure, not everyone follows the moral code of their culture. It is like if the Jones family tells their misbehaving son “this is not how Jones’ behave” and the son replies “I am a Jones and I am behaving this way, so your statement is inaccurate, QED”. Other groups have different cultures, and it is reasonable to speak for one’s own group and one’s own cultural moral code. It is only offensive if you believe Eur…

That's sort of the offensive part, that the claimed culture meaningfully exists and also does not engage in the criticized behavior. Both are wrong.

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by pfannkuchen »

maxerickson wrote: post #91
pfannkuchen wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, sure, not everyone follows the moral code of their culture. It is like if the Jones family tells their misbehaving son “this is not how Jones’ behave” and the son replies “I am a Jones and I am behaving this way, so your statement is inaccurate, QED”. Other groups have different cultures, and it is reasonable to speak for one’s own group and one’s own cultural moral code. It is only offensive if you believe Eur…

That's sort of the offensive part, that the claimed culture meaningfully exists and also does not engage in the criticized behavior. Both are wrong.

It’s offensive that a pan European base culture exists? Have you met people from many different European countries? They are different, but compared to non-European cultural groups they have an absolutely tremendous amount in common culturally.

There is no claim that Europeans do not engage in whatever immoral behavior. The claim is simply that European culture prohibits whatever behavior, even though of course this rule does get violated by Europeans (as all moral rules do get violated by whatever groups hold the rules).

Moving countries or continents does not delete one’s base culture, it’s weird that people pretend it does…

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by [deleted] »

igetspam wrote: post #84
bena wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly what he's saying. To be fair, he's expressing himself poorly. Because, yes, "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." He wants to say something more like "Conduct yourself in a way where if everyone read your messages they won't realize what a fucking miserable, intolerant asshole you are". And let's be completely fair here. Tucker Carlson wasn't fired for hold…

Very well stated. It's not that we have to or need to conduct ourselves like we're being watched, we should just be decent human beings because we should be. I don't have to worry about the sexist or racist or bigoted emails or jokes I've sent coming back to me for one simple reason: I'm not a sexist, a racist or a bigot. That shouldn't be a hard box for most people to check. At least, it shouldn't be.

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Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by inawarminister »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #19
JohnMakin wrote: post #2

> Think twice before sending a message, even over Signal. You will likely not be able to predict when you will be sued, investigated, or otherwise thrown into the lime-light. Or, radical new idea here, how about conduct yourself in a reasonable way where if everyone in the world read your text messages you wouldn't be fired or go to jail?

This only works if you are also clairvoyant. There are plenty of things that were uncontroversial a decade ago that would now incite a twitter mob.

End of history bias is very human.

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by pfannkuchen »

krapp wrote: post #85
pfannkuchen wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a strangely hostile interpretation of what Carlson said and also of what I have said. You seem very ready to be angry about this. I am interested in a lucid discussion of the topic, and I would be happy to engage with you in that way if you are so inclined. I think it is pretty clear that in context the Carlson quote means "how white men [should] behave [according to their culture (which is not completely hom…

I note how you and other posters here are referring to "cultures" when Tucker Carlson was explicitly referring to race, not culture. "white" is not a culture. Tucker Carlson was not making a comment based on a neutral anthropological analysis of European cultural values as derived from Christianity and as they apply to the ethics of organized combat, which, again, don't actually exist but one based on racial stereoty…

> calling someone racist is not itself highly immoral

You have completely failed to understand my post, please relax and reread. My views are based on a personal first principles analysis, I am not simply shouting and parroting things I have read in the media (unlike some other people).

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by throw0101b »

yread wrote: post #77
monero-xmr wrote: post #23

“Never write if you can speak; never speak if you can nod; never nod if you can wink”

Or as Jan Werich said "Don't think. If you do think, don't speak out. If you do speak out, don't write it down. If you do write it down, don't sign it. If you do sign it, don't be surprised."

> Or as Jan Werich said

Do you have a citation for this? I'm familiar with the saying, but have never seen an attribution for it before.

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by thunky »

mcphage wrote: post #90
thunky wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good example of why being a decent person may not be enough to keep you out of trouble.

I’m not sure he’s in trouble, though.

It shows how easy it is for your communications to be misinterpreted, which in some contexts could cause problems despite your intentions.

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by yread »

throw0101b wrote: post #96
yread wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or as Jan Werich said "Don't think. If you do think, don't speak out. If you do speak out, don't write it down. If you do write it down, don't sign it. If you do sign it, don't be surprised."

> Or as Jan Werich said Do you have a citation for this? I'm familiar with the saying, but have never seen an attribution for it before.

I've found it here

https://citaty.net/citaty/283440-jan-werich-nemysli-kdyz-mys...

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