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Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by throw_pm23 »

mrguyorama wrote: post #60
throw_pm23 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously not exactly this word-for-word, but I'm pretty sure most people have told equally objectionable things that they regretted afterwards or didn't fully think through at the time.

Yeah When I was 14! Not when I'm a well educated, rather privileged adult who spends his day job telling people that trans people are targeting them and that they are at ideological ("culture") war, and actively talking about how the guy I'm publicly pushing is someone I personally think is despicable. You know what I do when I say something that hurts someone now that I'm an adult? I apologize.

Was there someone in public life in recent memory who sincerely apologized for something and was offered forgiveness by the general public?

It often seems like those who double down on something bad end up better off. It doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do, of course.

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by web3-is-a-scam »

kgwxd wrote: post #66
web3-is-a-scam wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People that reject the use of political violence are better than those that don't and I'm not going to pretend they aren't.

People that say they reject the use of political violence, yet continue to encourage it on national television and anywhere else they can, are worse than those that don't and I'm not going to pretend they aren't.

If you're going to claim he did this you really should back it up with a source.

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by mrguyorama »

throw_pm23 wrote: post #71
mrguyorama wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah When I was 14! Not when I'm a well educated, rather privileged adult who spends his day job telling people that trans people are targeting them and that they are at ideological ("culture") war, and actively talking about how the guy I'm publicly pushing is someone I personally think is despicable. You know what I do when I say something that hurts someone now that I'm an adult? I apologize.

Was there someone in public life in recent memory who sincerely apologized for something and was offered forgiveness by the general public? It often seems like those who double down on something bad end up better off. It doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do, of course.

Doing the right thing does not always end with you in a better position. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. All you can do is apologize, and that should really be the only acceptable next step after you as a public figure make an oopsie. Whether other people are willing to forgive you or "take you back" is up to them, and people being judgemental assholes when it comes to a very public and controversial figure is not an excuse to not do the right thing. That's just what it means to live on the knife's edge of being a controversial person.

Forgiveness is earned, not expected. You won't always get a second chance.

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by hajile »

krapp wrote: post #70
hajile wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone said, "That's not how Samurai fight", would you then assume that any non-Samurai is being disparaged? Probably not despite the rampant xenophobia in Japan. At best, you have him gatekeeping all the white races and applying a no-true-Scotsman fallacy. If he'd mentioned a non-white race at all, I suspect you'd be making the same case then as well. People read into these things whatever they want to read base…

>If someone said, "That's not how Samurai fight", would you then assume that any non-Samurai is being disparaged? Probably not despite the rampant xenophobia in Japan. Yes. That would be the obvious reading. If someone looked at a group of Samurai fighting and said that isn't how Samurai fight, by implication a comparison is being made between "Samurai" and "not Samurai." If someone sees a group of white people fight…

> Case in point.

I've never watched his show outside of some occasional clips.

> Yes. That would be the obvious reading. If someone looked at a group of Samurai fighting and said that isn't how Samurai fight, by implication a comparison is being made between "Samurai" and "not Samurai."

Yet, very similar codes of conduct applied to other warriors from many different groups and races. At most you logically infer that this was applied to a subset of all the people it might be applied to. Further reading would conclude that his assertion is faulty in several ways (notably the no-true-Scotsman fallacy, lumping many races together based on similar skin tones, and the very obvious observation that every known group of non-sport fighters throughout history have taken every advantage they could).

There's plenty that is provably wrong with his statement without resorting to unprovable inferences, but that doesn't give the dopamine hit that outrage does.

> > At best, you have him gatekeeping all the white races and applying a no-true-Scotsman fallacy.

> Yes, and that's racist.

No-true-Scotsman isn't inherently racist. I agree that lumping in all white races together is racist, but most people in the US are ignorant that white is a color rather than a race and nobody has issues referring to any of these "collections" of races by their "color". It's simply not possible to determine here if he is ignorant of white racial diversity or if he was using a colloquialism.

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by qstyk »

reducesuffering wrote: post #6

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And yet you left off:

"The Antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I’m sure I’d hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn’t gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid, and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don’t care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?"

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by yread »

monero-xmr wrote: post #23

“Never write if you can speak; never speak if you can nod; never nod if you can wink”

Or as Jan Werich said "Don't think. If you do think, don't speak out. If you do speak out, don't write it down. If you do write it down, don't sign it. If you do sign it, don't be surprised."

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by maxerickson »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #15
reducesuffering wrote: post #6

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Are we asserting here that the traditional rules of martial engagement are the same across all cultures in the world? Or we are saying that European cultures are not fairly similar to one another in this regard, due to a shared religious heritage? I’m confused what people are angry about here.

It'd be less offensive if it were even vaguely true. Lots of guys willing to jump you or slit your throat for a nickel or whatever.

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by majkinetor »

chillycurve wrote: post #75
majkinetor wrote: post #69

The problem with Signal is that other party can turn auto delete off for both. Clearly bad design. It should be that the smallest timer wins.

If you can't trust the other party, you have already lost.

This isn't only about other party, you are missing the point. Other party can be hacked or played and I certainly do not trust that people are competent in that domain AT ALL.

Re: Tucker’s Message Fiasco Is the Wakeup Call You Need to Auto-Delete Your Messages

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Post by LinuxBender »

JohnMakin wrote: post #2

> Think twice before sending a message, even over Signal. You will likely not be able to predict when you will be sued, investigated, or otherwise thrown into the lime-light. Or, radical new idea here, how about conduct yourself in a reasonable way where if everyone in the world read your text messages you wouldn't be fired or go to jail?

how about conduct yourself in a reasonable way where if everyone in the world read your text messages you wouldn't be fired or go to jail?

This concept may be put to the test once platforms like Discord leak all their data. It will eventually happen. Discord save everything forever and messages are only marked as deleted. They may even do voice-to-text transcriptions in the background as that is also easy to save forever. This probably also applies to Zoom and Slack, if not now then eventually. Slack had very weak controls for 3rd party integrations in that any employee could add random-integration but hopefully that has changed. I am curious how everything will play out.

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