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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by HDThoreaun »

plagiarist wrote: post #247
tohnjitor wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is the US has more people who commit violent crimes.

Why is that?

America's dominant culture is toxic individualism. Respecting others is largely thought of a waste of time. There is no culture of shame like there is in eastern asian countries. Seriously, disrespecting people is something to be proud of for a huge number of americans. Everyone looks out for themselves and taking care of number 1 is generally seen as the correct decision. There is incredible income inequality which leaves many of the poor feeling abandoned. The cowboy may be the most famous American caricature. It celebrates toxic individualism and law breaking. This leads to tons of cultural artifacts that glorify crime. Those things all add up to a feeling that the social contract has been broken and crime is an acceptable thing to do.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by olyjohn »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #285
whitej125 wrote: post #170

I figured these Hyundai/Kia thefts using a USB cable was some techy issue... like there was a auto technicians USB port that would disable car security if it has something plugged into it. No. After 5 minutes of searching you see that a USB-A connector just happens to fit perfectly over the nub in the ignition and allows you to turn it. The problem is there is no engine immobilizer. So you can start the engine just b…

"Immobilisers have been mandatory in all new cars sold in Germany since 1 January 1998, in the United Kingdom since 1 October 1998, in Finland since 1998, in Australia since 2001 and in Canada since 2007." (Wikipedia)

So it's the government's fault for not making them mandatory in the US. Better sue the federal government too.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by tonfreed »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #287
Convolutional wrote: post #185

I should point out to those not from the US that this is how Americans view the US. There is a lot of crime, the government and NGOs are on the side of the criminals etc. It is up voted to the top as well, with agreement in the replies, this is how Americans view the US. The US incarcerates more people than China, despite China having more than four times as many people, but the view obviously is the incarceration ra…

Although I lived in the US for just a year, my impression was that a) US promoted an all-or-nothing culture, and b) crime, especially gun-related crime, was wildly glorified. My layman belief is that this isn’t just a law and order issue. Its a cultural dysfunction.

It's the tyranny of low standards. I sat in an airport in Florida in 2016 watching CNN rerunning the same police shooting footage over and over trying to convince anyone still listening that the pistol that had fallen out of the kid's hand was, in fact, a book. At the time I could have told you the exact type of gun it was, too.

The criminal is excused because he doesn't know any better, those that defend themselves are punished to the fullest extent because it's politically expedient to do so.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by plagiarist »

Natsu wrote: post #309
plagiarist wrote: post #297

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If it were possible for two problems to exist at the same time, I'd say one problem is a product defect reducing the barrier of entry so low that car theft is accessible to bored teenagers. But of course you are right, only one problem can ever exist and the problem is car thieves.

This just kind of ignores how one of those things wouldn't even be a problem without the other.

True, if the locks were perfect then nobody would be stealing cars.

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Post by kooshball »

lesuorac wrote: post #318
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #296

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I consider myself a liberal, but while I think pretty much all drug possession charges should be dropped and decriminalized, violent crime? Robbery? Those folks should absolutely be in jail. I don't care if we have to build tent cities to incarcerate them. You hurt someone intentionally, you should not be breathing free air for a while.

Prison is where criminals go. Jail is where people not convicted of a crime go. Drug Offenses are nearly half the prison population [1]. So the prison population can decrease by significant amounts without releasing any violent criminals. [1]: https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offen...

> Drug Offenses are nearly half the prison population

this is not true. your data is federal only. most prisoners are at state prisons. drug offense is about 1/5 of total.

source https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2023.html

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by HDThoreaun »

stickfigure wrote: post #213
hoofhearted wrote: post #177

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It’s the only car manufacturer in the city with this problem, how is it the police’s fault? And P.S. the police in the city have been handing out steering wheel locks and educating affected owners, so I believe you are misinformed.

"You left your house unlocked? It's your fault" "You dressed like that? It's your fault"

If your house does not have a lock and everyone knows it then yea, that's your fault.

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Post by mc32 »

jolux wrote: post #320
mc32 wrote: post #293

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In most countries the prison system is unpleasant, including the UK, Italy, Spain, Japan, Ukraine, Mexico, etc. In addition the justice/legal systems slightly favor the prosecution. Salvador was overrun with gang violence, a new government came in, rounded up the gangsters and crime has gone down. On balance the population of Salvador is better off.

The problem with US prisons goes far beyond basic unpleasantness. Take it from the Department of Justice: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-files-laws... "'The Department of Justice conducted a thorough investigation of Alabama’s prisons for men and determined that Alabama violated and is continuing to violate the Constitution because its prisons are riddled with prisoner-on-prisoner and guard-on-pris…

The same department of justice that continues to prosecute a case against Assange? I'm nonplussed. Boris Becker (UK), Amanda Knox (IT), speak to prison brutality (and those are well known international personages.)

Ukraine: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/08/ukraine-four-...

Mexico: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/mexicos-federal-prisons-a-...

Spain: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-77231-8_...

Brazil: https://www.americasquarterly.org/article/qa-why-is-prison-v...

And in Paradise (I mean Cuba): https://democraticspaces.com/trending/2022/3/29/prisoners-de...

Etc...

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by MavisBacon »

aksss wrote: post #325
MavisBacon wrote: post #255

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Baltimore is one of the most dangerous cities in the world, constantly dealing with people fleeing the city for the county, and they have been in large numbers since the 70s. Not the same flavor of hysteria as SF or Portland

I would suggest that something rhymes in the how prosecutorial discretion and bail policies are implemented in each of these places, though my point isn’t to compare one city to the other aside from them all being examples of “one reaps what one sows” at a practical policy level.

Baltimore is one of the most entrenched cities in US on a number of levels. It’s kind of ridiculous you are comparing the hyperwoke follies of SF and Portland with the outright despair and corruption in Baltimore. We have not reaped what we have sown, we hardly have a shot

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by colechristensen »

digdugdirk wrote: post #57

People are commenting on this with a fundamental lack of understanding of a car's ignition system. This design truly is flawed. Traditionally, the immobilizer in an ignition system is physically tied to the steering column. Basically, you'd need to remove the steering column (the physical pipe that goes between your steering wheel and the front steering rack) in order to remove the part. If you want to defeat that im…

The electronic immobilizer on my 2009 jetta is a communication between the cars computer and the key doing some sort of key exchange or rolling code. There’s no amount of tampering with anything in the steering column which can result in a running car. You start the engine and without the correct authentication the computer shuts the engine off after one second. I experienced it myself in a situation where i had a physical key which was not electronically paired with the engine so i could unlock and start the car one second at a time. There’s no option outside of hacking the car computer or having access to dealer only computer interface tools.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by HDThoreaun »

endisneigh wrote: post #49
klodolph wrote: post #26

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LockPickingLawyer is highly skilled, and can defeat locks that most others can’t. This is like selling one of those old Kryptonite locks that could be defeated with a Bic pen. At that point, the lock is truly defective, and should be pulled from the market. Your lock should require something more than a readily-available, vaguely key-shaped object to operate—so if you can operate the lock with a Bic pen (like the old…

i deeply disagree with this line of thought. why is the onus on the manufacturer here, instead of going after the thieves?

There is an effectively unlimited supply of kids who believe they have no future and are therefore willing to risk it all. Enforcement can't stop them from stealing a car when it takes a cord everyone has and less than 30 seconds.
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