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Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by marginalia_nu »

jacooper wrote: post #5

The issue is getting people to click on your website, why would any one do that if the entire content is already extracted by the ai, which directly gave it to the user?

I think it comes down to user experience.

Is your website more pleasant to use than ChatGPT/Bard/Bing Chat? Some actually are. Websites can load fast, be responsive, beautiful and well thought out. Those websites are a treat to visit.

However, if you need to first dismiss a GDPR waiver, a request to know your location, a request to show notifications, a chatbot that is available right now for a free sales consultation, and a request to subscribe to a newsletter; and once you do that, the page jumps around for 30 seconds as the ad auctions finish and obtrusive video ads flood in, and when you try to exit the page your back-button is hijacked; then the answer is probably "no".

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by rightbyte »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #10
grrdotcloud wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prompt trainers and tweakers and optimizers will probably replace the SEO types. I'm terrified of a world where I ask, what beverage will be served on Mars, and the answer will be engineered to be given as Coca-Cola is a popular drink possibly available on Mars, or right now. Would you like it delivered?

I’m more worried about automated astroturfing and propaganda.

Why? The only difference is that everyone can afford it. It is probably better in the end than only having paid chills doing it, since people will realize they can't trust "internet consensus" as being a actual consensus.

The real problem for some sites, is the amount of believable spam on mindless rant feeds, like Twitter and Reddit etc.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by prepend »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #115
prepend wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You aren't helping people, though, you're helping a for-profit company earn billions of dollars off your, and other's good will and knowledge. This has all been played out before. I’m cool helping companies along with people. Imagine you discover free energy. Would you not give it away because you don’t want billion dollar companies to benefit? I have a choice to give away info or keep it. Id rather give it away th…

If you discovered free energy then you and your family are probably getting whacked rather than disrupt the billionaire-class who depend on scarcity, artificial or otherwise.

Perhaps, but that doesn’t answer my question.

Would you release or keep it a secret?

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by prepend »

fabrice_d wrote: post #65
koreth1 wrote: post #42

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> My goal is to help people set up RDS and I don’t care about commercialization. This feels like the same philosophical difference that leads to debates about GPL vs. Apache licenses. The "how dare someone else make money using my work" camp vs. the "if someone else is able to make money using my work, more power to them" camp.

Monetization is not what GPL vs. Apache license is about, even if that's often how the Apache proponents want to paint things. The GPL doesn't prevent you from making money; it only requires you to contribute your changes back. That way others can also make money based on your work, like... you just did!

> The GPL doesn't prevent you from making money; it only requires you to contribute your changes back.

I think it does though as if my contribution is made public others are less likely to buy it.

With Apache/etc, I can make modifications and sell more easily.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by prepend »

koreth1 wrote: post #42
prepend wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would not make a publicly searchable blog or Github repository if I were well-versed in setting such RDS on-premises You won’t. But I will and I think others will as well. My goal is to help people set up RDS and I don’t care about commercialization. So happy if AI reuses all the material. There are many technical blogs that are just hobbies, or fun, or brand PR, or book tie ins or whatever.

> My goal is to help people set up RDS and I don’t care about commercialization. This feels like the same philosophical difference that leads to debates about GPL vs. Apache licenses. The "how dare someone else make money using my work" camp vs. the "if someone else is able to make money using my work, more power to them" camp.

I agree and have been having this discussion for decades of people who don’t care and just want their work to help others (Apache/bsd/mit/etc) vs those that want to have a specific ideology furthered (gpl) that all software should be free.

It’s not exactly the same, but I’ve frequently heard “I don’t want someone to take my code and just sell it.” So want to use gpl or some other license that opens but prohibits selling. I don’t think the latter really works out that well, but people seem to ask for it quite a bit.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by wslh »

Google results quality should be community tested to deface the monster hidden there. Nowadays most search results in Google are easily identified as a failure.

I wonder which results we will obtain when we look for specific recipes with these changes. Or, comparison of hardware.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by ekanes »

Semaphor wrote: post #127
notatoad wrote: post #118

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It sounds like you're against this. I'm not sure why. SEO is a scam to convince search engines to show something other than most useful content. Content farms are a drain on human attention. Human intelligence had it's chance and we squandered it. Bring on the AIs, they're not going to be worse than the mess we've already made.

> Content farms are a drain on human attention. Maybe it’s a matter of differing definitions, but I’ve got a lot of useful information out of well-written and well-researched "content farms".

Sure, but you would as a generality have gotten BETTER information from the real sources from whom the SEO-oriented farms took the info and optimized for the search engines. They're repurposing someone else's original content.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by hammyhavoc »

LegitShady wrote: post #129
notatoad wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd guess that google is currently the single largest funder of "content" in the world, between adsense on websites and payouts to YouTubers. They're certainly not getting the content for free. They're running ads against it, and making money on it, but they are also paying for it. It's a relatively small shift in their funding model to pay out to creators for their contributions to an AI model instead of paying out…

> I'd guess that google is currently the single largest funder of "content" in the world, between adsense on websites and payouts to YouTubers. Those are advertisers funding the content, not google. google is just a middleman. They generate no content and pay none of they money, they just facilitate the transaction and take a cut.

Google used to produce/fund content. See YouTube Originals.
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