Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

demandsphere.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

41–50 of 169 posts

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

#41

Post by Alupis »

prepend wrote: post #32
nixcraft wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. The low-quality content farm will be out and the high-quality site will be fully paywalled (no more data to AI). For instance, when searching for information on setting up RDS, like high availability MySQL on self-hosted servers on-premises, neither ChatGPT nor Brad provided the necessary details. I would not make a publicly searchable blog or Github repository if I were well-versed in setting such RDS on-prem…

> I would not make a publicly searchable blog or Github repository if I were well-versed in setting such RDS on-premises You won’t. But I will and I think others will as well. My goal is to help people set up RDS and I don’t care about commercialization. So happy if AI reuses all the material. There are many technical blogs that are just hobbies, or fun, or brand PR, or book tie ins or whatever.

You aren't helping people, though, you're helping a for-profit company earn billions of dollars off your, and other's good will and knowledge. The for-profit company is helping people, in exchange for direct and/or indirect monetization.

Your blog post's knowledge-dump ends up never being seen.

This is why StackOverflow reacted so poorly to Stack Exchange's announcement they would be using all of your hard work to train a for-profit model.

It might not be illegal - but it sure does feel weird, at a minimum.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

#42

Post by koreth1 »

prepend wrote: post #32
nixcraft wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. The low-quality content farm will be out and the high-quality site will be fully paywalled (no more data to AI). For instance, when searching for information on setting up RDS, like high availability MySQL on self-hosted servers on-premises, neither ChatGPT nor Brad provided the necessary details. I would not make a publicly searchable blog or Github repository if I were well-versed in setting such RDS on-prem…

> I would not make a publicly searchable blog or Github repository if I were well-versed in setting such RDS on-premises You won’t. But I will and I think others will as well. My goal is to help people set up RDS and I don’t care about commercialization. So happy if AI reuses all the material. There are many technical blogs that are just hobbies, or fun, or brand PR, or book tie ins or whatever.

> My goal is to help people set up RDS and I don’t care about commercialization.

This feels like the same philosophical difference that leads to debates about GPL vs. Apache licenses. The "how dare someone else make money using my work" camp vs. the "if someone else is able to make money using my work, more power to them" camp.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

#43

Post by Havoc »

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #17

I don't know if I'm against this. If it means that websites will return to having less noise on their pages so that I get to the information I want faster, I don't care. The way Google shaped SEO meant that many websites have tons of text just to prove that they are the authority. Googling for like a Jerusalem Bug bite risk or Black Widow bite risk makes you end up some local pest control website telling you will get…

I suspect expecting noise levels to go down with rising AI is uhm optimistic

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

#44

Post by syntaxing »

cosmicCactus wrote: post #34
candiddevmike wrote: post #4

Hot take: SEO is dead, content farms are done, almost no one will leave Google/Bing to read more than what it generates. Thank you content writers for your service training LLMs. Here's 10 amazing ways to find a new career in a LLM world.

For the past 10 years I've been using google as a search engine and nothing else. I type for the page or content I already know in advance I'm looking for and that's it. I never browsed or clicked on promotions. I found out about new sites and products, always through social media, or news pages. I will continue using it with the same purpose, I can't imagine people spending 15 minutes on a search engine trying to di…

I've been using Google for a decade+ too. Phind has replaced about 95% of my Google usage this past month.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

#45

Post by m3kw9 »

candiddevmike wrote: post #4

Hot take: SEO is dead, content farms are done, almost no one will leave Google/Bing to read more than what it generates. Thank you content writers for your service training LLMs. Here's 10 amazing ways to find a new career in a LLM world.

It’s a pain to having to prompt everything. People still want to see certain identity when browsing, for example browsing CNN or wired. Prompting “show me some interesting tech articles”, and you know a lot of that is Ai generated, it feels stale

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

#46

Post by kredd »

candiddevmike wrote: post #40
lanza wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people post worthless anecdotes like this when we know from trivially available data that Google makes over a hundred billion dollars per year from search.

With enough anecdotes, that 100 billion dollars starts to smell like click fraud. Google owns both sides of the ad market and is less than transparent with how their ads perform or how bids are calculated. I will be very curious how the promoted stuff works with LLMs. When you ask a LLM what the best brand of shoes are, can folks pay to influence the result?

I personally know people spending 6 figures at the minimum on SEO, because they see huge conversion rates for their own businesses (which are not web-based stuff by the way, more of a niche in person technical services).

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

#47

Post by dclowd9901 »

candiddevmike wrote: post #4

Hot take: SEO is dead, content farms are done, almost no one will leave Google/Bing to read more than what it generates. Thank you content writers for your service training LLMs. Here's 10 amazing ways to find a new career in a LLM world.

While I upvoted you, I think there’s still a lot of room in this world for human created content. In fact, I wager it’ll be more important than ever. People will be actively seeking out human-attributable information so there’s someone to hold the buck on where information originated from.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

#48

Post by coffeebeqn »

pvarangot wrote: post #27
micromacrofoot wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

maybe… but will an ai search even tell you those sites exist?

It will tell you the information. Information wants to be free. Right?

Free to be harvested and monopolized by a few giant corporations..

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

#49

Post by TrevorFSmith »

I'm pretty happy with Kagi's results since they down-rank sites with loads of ads and tracking scripts. It feels like the era for ad-funded information is ending and only paid services will be able to provide a useful noosphere.

(this isn't a sponsored comment. I'm just a machinist who likes good search results)

Post reply on HN