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Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by theage »

TrevorFSmith wrote: post #49

I'm pretty happy with Kagi's results since they down-rank sites with loads of ads and tracking scripts. It feels like the era for ad-funded information is ending and only paid services will be able to provide a useful noosphere. (this isn't a sponsored comment. I'm just a machinist who likes good search results)

Pretty soon when the novelty wears off they will realize they still have to gimp their generated responses if they want to have things to scrape in future. A world where you want websites to exist to direct users to clashes with building perfect chatbots.

Kagi have every incentive to engage in sandbagging their upcoming chatbot just like google, they just prefer you knew it as "your safety" rather than "their sinking ship".

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by water-your-self »

Smoosh wrote: post #2

I see mention in the article of content creation. But are search engines working on task-related personal assistants? For one example, If I want to take a holiday, could an assistant work out the best dates (based upon preferences of availability, cost etc), and research the best airfares (excluding that particular airline I hate) and find a hotel room with the features I want, and throw in a few sightseeing activiti…

>best airfares >hotel room >sightseeing activities

You can bet that there will be a bidding war behind the scene by those wanting to be the "best" airline and the "best" hotel and the "best" activity.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by water-your-self »

userbinator wrote: post #97
post-it wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The worst is trying to search for something like `Unexpected token ?` because it always strips out the punctuation no matter what I do.

Or error codes, because it thinks that all numbers are almost the same. AI is the imprecision and stupidity of a human, amplified by the speed of machines.

We've automated human error.

Poetic

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by questime »

water-your-self wrote: post #112
Smoosh wrote: post #2

I see mention in the article of content creation. But are search engines working on task-related personal assistants? For one example, If I want to take a holiday, could an assistant work out the best dates (based upon preferences of availability, cost etc), and research the best airfares (excluding that particular airline I hate) and find a hotel room with the features I want, and throw in a few sightseeing activiti…

>best airfares >hotel room >sightseeing activities You can bet that there will be a bidding war behind the scene by those wanting to be the "best" airline and the "best" hotel and the "best" activity.

This has been the case for decades now - Google, Booking, Expedia etc. are not something new.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by hammyhavoc »

prepend wrote: post #106
Alupis wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't helping people, though, you're helping a for-profit company earn billions of dollars off your, and other's good will and knowledge. The for-profit company is helping people, in exchange for direct and/or indirect monetization. Your blog post's knowledge-dump ends up never being seen. This is why StackOverflow reacted so poorly to Stack Exchange's announcement they would be using all of your hard work to tr…

> You aren't helping people, though, you're helping a for-profit company earn billions of dollars off your, and other's good will and knowledge. This has all been played out before. I’m cool helping companies along with people. Imagine you discover free energy. Would you not give it away because you don’t want billion dollar companies to benefit? I have a choice to give away info or keep it. Id rather give it away th…

If you discovered free energy then you and your family are probably getting whacked rather than disrupt the billionaire-class who depend on scarcity, artificial or otherwise.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by wwweston »

kajaktum wrote: post #82
Alupis wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But for someone who wants to increase the knowledge in the world, it's not so bad... You may actually be decreasing the knowledge of the world. It's not difficult to imagine a future where people do not know how to effectively communicate, and instead rely on ChatGPT (or whatever) to communicate for them. Or a future where nobody knows anything, and instead blindly trusts the output of AI models. There's already da…

I think you are just hating on LLMs because its a new thing. You can similarly argue that internet will ruin our social life because we no longer have to go to the library and meet with strangers researching up similar topics. But I don’t see anyone arguing against internet? Progress is here, old man. Thinking that people will deliberately go out of their way to grok through pages of PDF documentations hoping to find…

> think you are just hating on LLMs because its a new thing.

Along with your "old man" dig, the fact that you have to attribute hidden motives to someone who's got specific concerns elaborated in their comment doesn't do you any favors.

> You can similarly argue that internet will ruin our social life because we no longer have to go to the library and meet with strangers researching up similar topics. But I don’t see anyone arguing against internet?

I know smart people who argue that paper maps reduce social ties because they remove the necessity to ask for directions. They're not wrong. It doesn't mean maps aren't really useful, or that they even want maps gone. It means they're paying attention to dynamics and maybe even better prepared to fine-tune them by introducing something else to the system.

People do argue against "the internet", btw -- the problem of determining authority/reliability of an internet source, hidden incentives of search or feed algorithms, sand castles, and yes the capacity for isolation or echo chambers from virtual interaction. They're not wrong either.

> Progress is here

Change is here. Thoughtful people can recognize that comes with potential advantages and look with concern on hazards and disadvantages.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by musicale »

m3kw9 wrote: post #45
candiddevmike wrote: post #4

Hot take: SEO is dead, content farms are done, almost no one will leave Google/Bing to read more than what it generates. Thank you content writers for your service training LLMs. Here's 10 amazing ways to find a new career in a LLM world.

It’s a pain to having to prompt everything. People still want to see certain identity when browsing, for example browsing CNN or wired. Prompting “show me some interesting tech articles”, and you know a lot of that is Ai generated, it feels stale

I was shocked to discover that the bizarre stock photo tracings on wikihow were actually created by humans.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by notatoad »

candiddevmike wrote: post #4

Hot take: SEO is dead, content farms are done, almost no one will leave Google/Bing to read more than what it generates. Thank you content writers for your service training LLMs. Here's 10 amazing ways to find a new career in a LLM world.

It sounds like you're against this. I'm not sure why.

SEO is a scam to convince search engines to show something other than most useful content. Content farms are a drain on human attention. Human intelligence had it's chance and we squandered it. Bring on the AIs, they're not going to be worse than the mess we've already made.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by notatoad »

failuser wrote: post #62
waboremo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't Google [replace with whoever becomes owner of leading AI platform] just hire experts themselves to generate for LLMs? Seems like the obvious next step. For clarity, I'm not saying I particularly like that future, but I have a hard time grasping why you think a paywall would be an obstacle here. Especially not for the wealthiest corporations (ever). Additionally because most paywalls to information have v…

This is just too expensive. Google is used to get all the content for free.

I'd guess that google is currently the single largest funder of "content" in the world, between adsense on websites and payouts to YouTubers.

They're certainly not getting the content for free. They're running ads against it, and making money on it, but they are also paying for it. It's a relatively small shift in their funding model to pay out to creators for their contributions to an AI model instead of paying out per pageview.

Re: Google I/O: Big changes coming for SEOs with ubiquitous AI

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Post by Brajeshwar »

rpastuszak wrote: post #54
candiddevmike wrote: post #4

Hot take: SEO is dead, content farms are done, almost no one will leave Google/Bing to read more than what it generates. Thank you content writers for your service training LLMs. Here's 10 amazing ways to find a new career in a LLM world.

B…but I’ve just started my (medieval) content farm. https://tidings.potato.horse/about

Awesome. I'm today years old stumbling on the existence of a `.horse` TLD. What else are there -- wacky, fun, and interesting TLDs?
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