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My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by bumby »

scarface74 wrote: post #681
bumby wrote: post #641

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So you’re saying we are less polarized? How do you square that with Haidts research?

He completely ignored Jim Crow laws and segregation where one side wanted to be treated as equals and the other side wanted to keep them segregated ? By definition, being forced to drink out of separate water fountains is putting people on the opposite side - ie opposite poles.

His analysis was within the context of social media driving polarization, so why would you expect it to look at the Jim Crow era? It seems like you’re starting with a conclusion and working backwards.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by wootland »

tristor wrote: post #687
wootland wrote: post #126

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I'd add d) when all of the gains are captured by execs and investors, if you don't do everything you can to maximize your return and minimize your input, you're being exploited. It's strange to me that anyone would care about people cheating at job interviews and not say CEO pay that's 1,000X the average employee. More power to those who can balance things in their favor against those who have everything to gain and…

> It's strange to me that anyone would care about people cheating at job interviews and not say CEO pay that's 1,000X the average employee. When people cheat at the job interview and end up on my team or interacting with me but are not competent at the job, that directly and negatively impacts me and my work life, as well as my productivity. The fact the CEO makes more money than me does not directly impact me (altho…

I've never seen "productivity" tied to compensation. Those with connections and the ability to self-promote receive the most pay. Those who don't understand this focus on being "productive" to help improve their boss' bottom line at their own expense.

If you like to excel, the best choice is to preserve your energy as much as possible while working for your employer and build something amazing that you own with the energy that otherwise would have been given to them.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by maximus-decimus »

Miner49er wrote: post #553
ajcp wrote: post #268

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I expect my interviewees to use Google and am disappointed if they don't. It's more important to me that they know how to find the right answer than it is that they just know it off the top of their head. 90% of their time is going to be spent figuring out how to solve all the known-unknowns they're going to come across.

As long as you tell them they can, that seems great. I think it's normal for people being interviewed to assume they can't use any outside assistance.

Why? You'll have access to google when you're working so I would assume you're allowed to google stuff during the interview.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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everforward wrote: post #437
mirkules wrote: post #147

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The way I combat this is by asking questions about their current jobs, then diving deep into the technical problems they faced. It requires a lot more preparation for each candidate, but it ensures it’s not a trivia test but a discussion. One of my favorite interviews (as an interviewer) was when a SDET candidate provided a link to their website. When I visited it there was an issue loading some page. So I asked him…

This. My other favorite is very open-ended questions. I mostly do ops-y interviews, and my favorite question is "what happens when you type 'curl https://google.com ' in a terminal and hit enter?" The question is so broad there isn't a "correct" answer to Google, and it crosses enough domains that any article they find is going to be too long to skim. Then I ask them to really zero in on some aspect of it they feel c…

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Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by osigurdson »

hikawaii wrote: post #82
osigurdson wrote: post #51

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It is funny. Let’s say you have an MIT PHD computer science grad with a 4.0 GPA. The 8 years of verifiable performance means nothing. The competitive coder would blow them away in an interview.

Yes, because the entire reason competition code was adopted in the first place is people graduating with prestigious titles that could not write code.

That is possible but the irony must be apparent.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by fauxpause_ »

aidenn0 wrote: post #505
fauxpause_ wrote: post #429

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Seems irrelevant if the people getting the job by cheating are considered high performers getting promotions

I think you took too much from implication. TFA states that they are getting promotions. Everything else is assumptions: 1. They are considered high performers (maybe promotions are on a schedule?) 2. They are actually high performers (some people can bullshit their way through a job for years ). 3. They are outperforming a hypothetical person who didn't cheat on the test and would have been hired instead of them wit…

If an org can’t tell who is good and worthy of promotion when they’re working for them every day, they have no chance of doing so in an interview

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by TeeMassive »

tristor wrote: post #459
TeeMassive wrote: post #457

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> It doesn't invalidate the easily observable phenomenon of widespread cheating in low trust society like India. Agreed. I am very carefully saying that I stand by my own observations as well. The point is that, while these behaviors may be commonplace in a particular society, it does not mean any given individual person from that society engages in these behaviors. We should always be careful of the heuristics we ap…

> That's all I'm saying. Treat individuals as individuals.

Except we're not talking about individuals here, but social phenomenons.

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Post by throw9away6 »

p0pcult wrote: post #638
throw9away6 wrote: post #536

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Not really any different. Nobody was hurt in the latter case.

I find it amusing that you are using a throwaway account for comments on this topic. It's as good as an admission that you know the behavior is wrong.

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Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by throw9away6 »

kevviiinn wrote: post #508
throw9away6 wrote: post #471

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People that don’t cheat much think that cheating is easy. Often times I see cheaters put in almost the same amount of effort as non cheaters the cheaters just get a higher probability of success.

But the long term success for cheating is actually much lower, those who actually learned things will do better in the long term even if they have a lower probability of short term success Many humans seem to be incredibly short sighted

The cheaters learn to cheat better that can be a better or equivalent level skill. Human lifetime are sort and human opportunity windows are even shorter. Not cheating put you at the mercy of variance as many now dead great people died in poverty
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