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Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by nr2x »

motoboi wrote: post #248
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #206

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I mean, Google Translate has been basically completely AI powered for 5+ years, and it's one of the most used products in the world... The majority of what you see on SERPs has been AI generated for a decade, and that's Google's main money maker. This idea that Google sucks at AI and is clearly a million miles behind is intriguing. Google is currently the company everyone loves to hate like MSFT was 5-10 years ago. T…

You now that, I know that, everyone knows that. And yet, google stresses it everytime, like the company is anxious that people is looking for OpenAI and not google.

Some of the key people behind translate founded OpenAI. Don’t forget it’s always been about the people, not the brand.

Google was good at attracting and retaining the best and brightest. Now they aren’t.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

hot_gril wrote: post #249
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #227

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> I care what my options are in the end, a lot more than ideology or something, and Apple worsened my options compared to before. How did AirPods existing ruin your options? You can choose to not buy them, I don't, I like conductive head phones better anyways (non-Apple, before the AirPods came out, and they don't suck, so I don't get what you mean by apple producing the only BT headphones that don't suck?). Or do yo…

So my chosen option before was to just plug my earbuds or car aux into my phone. Now my choices are: - AirPods, which I don't want to shell out more money for and deal with charging/caring for them, but otherwise they'd be the best option. - Non-AirPod BT headphones. I have nice Bose ones from work. These lack Apple's extensions to improve pairing and headset (mic) mode. In headset mode, the earphone quality drops to…

This sounds like a bunch of unique requirements.

You have a wired car aux solution that...provides a microphone, which I've never seen before but lets go with it. There are dongles that have microphone inputs (Cubilux Lightning to 3.5mm TRS Microphone Adapter with Headphone Jack), but I'm assuming you can't use those because the microphone and headset are sharing the same jack somehow?

Your car doesn't support bluetooth, and you use multiple generations of iPhones so you can't just leave the dongle in the car. This is unrelated to airpods since you can't use those while driving anyways.

AirPods are expensive, I get that, and you aren't satisfied with cheaper non-Apple options on amazon. I'm happy not using airpods, since I hate earbuds anyways, but I guess not everyone is like that. Would the non-existence of AirPods make things better? I haven't had trouble pairing my conductive headphones, I guess I don't notice any distortion because it is going through my bones anyways, and I'm not using mic.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by ShamelessC »

spacemadness wrote: post #196
actuator wrote: post #98

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HN tends to bias towards pro Apple. You would see people doing mental gymnastics trying to defend their closed anti competitive practices, disregard for standards. I would cheer a Sennheiser/Bose more than any version of Airpods, I would rather not have a multi trillion dollar company gobble up other industries through unfair advantages. Seeing a hacker crowd do this is just beyond bizzare.

I think it depends on how you define Hacker. This site is very business leaning to begin with in a lot of ways which doesn’t always draw the “hacker” crowd. I will forever think of hackers ideally not being so concerned with operating businesses but being obsessed with technology sometimes at the expense of business concerns.

For YCombinator and the like, “hacker” is actually just code for “disruptor”. It is a subtle but powerful conflation designed to retroactively strengthen the historical positioning of e.g. Jobs, Woz, Zuckerberg while simultaneously praising disruptive technologies that will “eat the world”.

Of course, none of those people ever fit the more common definition of hacker for more than a few years, if ever, even if you assume hacker means “good coder” or similar. And they certainly never fit the information security definition.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by dragonwriter »

secondary_op wrote: post #239

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> "We made next-gen state of the art transparent video translation/dubbing" and "we will let to use this tool only to our hand picked partners". What the fuck ?

Its a bigger WTF because “realtime audio translation with live transcripts is a problem we’ve solved completely and the key unique selling point of our earbuds with our phones” was a Google thing in... 2017.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

actuator wrote: post #255
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #231

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> Another example is, no one is forced to buy Apple Music, but for sure it pops up front and center when you buy a iOS device or Mac. I never noticed, having never bought Apple Music before and just using spotify instead. I guess if I wanted it to run on a HomePod, I would need it? > On top of this they will give you free subscription for 3/6 months when you buy a new device knowing full well that most customers won'…

Spotify doesn't get to offer you that when you are setting up your new phone. You have to know about the company and go and install it. It is good that you are using Spotify and supporting an independent company, but as I was saying defaults and ease of access matters. Spotify is not playing in a level field and regulators have failed to ensure that they are able to.

There are plenty of non-apple speakers that come with Spotify trials. I get that trials are hard to back out of, and I've never activated my Apple Music trial.

> Spotify is not playing in a level field and regulators have failed to ensure that they are able to.

Spotify is still dominating music streaming, more so than Apple Music or Amazon Prime Music (which we used to use since it came free with prime).

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by ChrisArchitect »

: create a Google I/O keynote on this and that project. Mention AI at every turn.

All subtly cringe, unexciting. Presenting million ways AI takes a whole lot of the real creation & soul out of every human-technology interaction. Plus feeling society not ready to handle this.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by Melatonic »

maxsilver wrote: post #237
r0m4n0 wrote: post #64

I find it interesting the sentiment in the comments... Yesterday we had an Apple post where everyone was losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad (which in my opinion as a Software Engineer is the most boring thing I’ve had to read all week). Today we have probably a massive lineup of a bunch of new AI features to be announced for products most of us use on the regular, or could use as devs, and 90% of…

Final Cut Pro is a thing people already use in their workflow, becoming more convenient for them. People have depended on this as part of their production-ready workflow for over 20+ years now, and FCP-folks seem to have a lot of trust in the application and related tooling, that Apple isn't going to leave or abandon Final Cut anytime soon. Google's AI features are not something most of us use in our workflow, and ar…

Final Cut is definitely not the industry standard - most pros abandoned it after they completely rebuilt it from the ground up years ago and it sucked hard

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

krackers wrote: post #252
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, Google Translate has been basically completely AI powered for 5+ years, and it's one of the most used products in the world... The majority of what you see on SERPs has been AI generated for a decade, and that's Google's main money maker. This idea that Google sucks at AI and is clearly a million miles behind is intriguing. Google is currently the company everyone loves to hate like MSFT was 5-10 years ago. T…

>and it's one of the most used products in the world... And they had their lunch completely eaten by deepL

Did they? I've never heard of deepL, and Google Translate still has close to 1 billion users.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

r0m4n0 wrote: post #135
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #104

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It seems quite the opposite: HN biases towards anti-Apple, often for bizarre reasons that require lots of mental gymnastics to justify. You don’t really have to buy AirPods, there are lots of products out in the market that compete in that space. Just because Apple provides a certain product doesn’t mean you are being forced to buy it.

People are anti everything on HN… the question is how much on what. There are a lot of people that defend the far and few apple negative comments. The only way to prove this would be by doing some data analysis. Maybe worth it’s own post

I'm pretty sure everyone feels that their opinion is the underdog opposed to the other sheeple side.

It is like people who think they are being hip for either hating or loving X, when lots of people love or hate X already, so it isn't really weird either way.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by krackers »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #268
krackers wrote: post #252

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>and it's one of the most used products in the world... And they had their lunch completely eaten by deepL

Did they? I've never heard of deepL, and Google Translate still has close to 1 billion users.

In terms of wider userbase Google Translate is still de facto, but anyone who uses MTL heavily knows that DeepL beats Google Translate for most languages, especially east asian ones.
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