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Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by TobyTheDog123 »

c0t300 wrote: post #154
joshmanders wrote: post #151

All I have to say is I'm annoyed the domain is io.google instead of google.io. I mean I get they gotta flex the notion that they have TLD us peasants don't get to use, but the conf's name is Google IO not IO Google.

I'd say the .google is the biggest flex i've seen in a while, so why not just use it

It's a faux pas to flex your own massive amounts of power in places where it doesn't really matter all that much. Then again, Google has pretty much embraced their role as a comic book villain these days.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by nailer »

deltree7 wrote: post #192
nailer wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Wow you think transformers are a product like Search and Maps and Android are. That's great. 2. I think most people consider both Metaverse and chat agents as failures. ChatGPT isn't a 'chat agent' and most chat agents still don't work. Watching the keynote and Google are expecting developers to cut and paste code into Bard rather than releasing a Bard plugin for code editors and taking on Microsoft directly. Weak…

Most people lack the vision beyond 15 minutes. Of course Metaverse is a failure for them, just like how Internet was just a glorified fax machine for luddites. So, popular opinion is the worst indicator of anything. Happy to make a public bet that Metaverse will consume 25% of a person's day for at least 4 billion people by 2035 If transformer doesn't excite you (mostly due to anti-Google bias), Google has a dozen pr…

> Google has a dozen products that has over a 500 Million users.

So did Microsoft in 2005. That doesn't mean the Ballmer era was innovative. If you need other examples of companies with hundreds of millions of users that aren't relevant, there's also Oracle.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by sebzim4500 »

I have no idea how much effort Google spent preparing these demos, but I personally find it so much less impressive than the livestream OpenAI did where they actually used their tech following suggestions from discord.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by motoboi »

So funny to see google stressing EVERYTIME that they have been using AI for years.

Dude, you were seated in the pot of gold and let your organizational disfuncionality block you from really using that.

And now you come trying to get the crown of AI? Catch up and them we can talk.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by beezlebroxxxxxx »

sa46 wrote: post #177
electroly wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ceci n'est pas une pipe. The features are exciting. Google I/O, the conference with talks, is seen as less so. Notice how all the comments are about the talks. Yesterday's Apple announcement was _not_ a conference, and the comment thread was about the new app. It's not the same thing at all. Here are some snippets from top-level comments in this discussion thread. > It's all business talk > I for one benefited so muc…

What does “Ceci n'est pas une pipe” mean in this context? I ended up on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images but I’m not sure what it means here.

I took it to mean: "This is not the thing it looks like."

But, I agree, it's not an exact match context wise.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

motoboi wrote: post #204

So funny to see google stressing EVERYTIME that they have been using AI for years. Dude, you were seated in the pot of gold and let your organizational disfuncionality block you from really using that. And now you come trying to get the crown of AI? Catch up and them we can talk.

I mean, Google Translate has been basically completely AI powered for 5+ years, and it's one of the most used products in the world...

The majority of what you see on SERPs has been AI generated for a decade, and that's Google's main money maker.

This idea that Google sucks at AI and is clearly a million miles behind is intriguing.

Google is currently the company everyone loves to hate like MSFT was 5-10 years ago.

THAT is a bad sign regardless if anything the people are saying has any truth to it.

MSFT has been the king of enterprise software since the 80s. But around 2000, everyone and their mother was talking about how MSFT can't produce any software beside complete garbage.

None of that was true. But, MSFT was in for some relatively bad times for a decade or so.

I suspect the same thing is going to happen to Google just because sentiment is powerful.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by motoboi »

sa46 wrote: post #177
electroly wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ceci n'est pas une pipe. The features are exciting. Google I/O, the conference with talks, is seen as less so. Notice how all the comments are about the talks. Yesterday's Apple announcement was _not_ a conference, and the comment thread was about the new app. It's not the same thing at all. Here are some snippets from top-level comments in this discussion thread. > It's all business talk > I for one benefited so muc…

What does “Ceci n'est pas une pipe” mean in this context? I ended up on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images but I’m not sure what it means here.

You can make fine images and fine presentations, but they are not the reality.

The reality is what people can really use and what really does hit the road.

Right now, everything google presented in the keynote is vapourware for anyone that doesn't have access to it.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by AndrewGaspar »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #203

I have no idea how much effort Google spent preparing these demos, but I personally find it so much less impressive than the livestream OpenAI did where they actually used their tech following suggestions from discord.

I think OpenAI is probably held to different standards than Google. ChatGPT hallucinates incorrect information, and it's kind of adorable - the tech is early, they'll improve over time, etc. Google Bard hallucinates incorrect information, and it _looks_ like a step backwards in their core product.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

m0zzie wrote: post #33
danwee wrote: post #2

I was very enthusiastic about Google I/O in the past (around the year 2010). Full of nice tech talks; I learned a lot. These years, I couldn't care less. It's all business talk. I guess developers are not the target audience anymore (and for newcomers, perhaps the "I/O" may be misleading).

Heh, yours and other comments here disparaging I/O as "business" or "corporate" talk these days come across as quite ignorant - and I don't mean this in a nasty way, more in a literal way. It seems perhaps you're missing the fact there are many different styles of talks for many audiences. At every I/O there is a "keynote" and a "developer keynote", and similarly there are business / product talks and developer-focus…

I'm too lazy to go through the previous agendas of I/O, but it would be interesting to see the burnt out remnants of google's various abandoned projects.

I saw this headline and eyerolled. In 2010, I read the schedule/agenda and hype about what might be given to attendees. ALMOST signed up for the lottery.

As I addended to google's IoT with respect to other IoT vendors:

"It's just that Google adds completely rudderless leadership, its world famous utter disregard for customer support, and complete lack of commitment to the recipe."

Google I/O was cool when you could get early access to google glasses.

What do you get these days? Anything interesting? Or the latest Pixel (god, don't get me started, I am NEVER EVER EVER dropping more than $300 on an android phone again).

Anyway, back to the eyeroll. Wow, 10 years. Android is buggier and its app store laden with malware, copycats, predatory addictware, and bureaucracy. Android hardware is arguably even buggier than it was. Search is FAR FAR worse. Their self-driving is still a non-starter. The internet has turned into a dystopian wasteland and they are a not-insignificant party to it. No longer open, no longer even trying to not be evil.

Everything about google is worse today than it was 10 years ago. Does anybody actually want to work there for any reason besides money and resume eyecandy? Google the search is far worse than it was 10 years ago with maximum monetization policies. Advertising / information hoovering is a threat to democracy and perhaps human existence. The fourth estate / newspapers / journalism has been utterly hollowed out. It has directly enabled cartel and monopoly market consolidation. It is the shining example of locking out someone from the internet and providing no human contact for resolution. If it fails to dominate something with its horrid customer service and big brother creepy dominance, it strands people with little warning.

Anyway, have fun at Google I/O 2023 everyone!

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by fallat »

actuator wrote: post #98
r0m4n0 wrote: post #64

I find it interesting the sentiment in the comments... Yesterday we had an Apple post where everyone was losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad (which in my opinion as a Software Engineer is the most boring thing I’ve had to read all week). Today we have probably a massive lineup of a bunch of new AI features to be announced for products most of us use on the regular, or could use as devs, and 90% of…

HN tends to bias towards pro Apple. You would see people doing mental gymnastics trying to defend their closed anti competitive practices, disregard for standards. I would cheer a Sennheiser/Bose more than any version of Airpods, I would rather not have a multi trillion dollar company gobble up other industries through unfair advantages. Seeing a hacker crowd do this is just beyond bizzare.

This is why I stopped calling HN, HN. It's YCombinator news. It's not news for hackers - maybe at one point, but not anymore and not for awhile. It may even be seen as looked down on because you're posting on a site run by venture capitalists.
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