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Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by thewataccount »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #488
wahnfrieden wrote: post #444

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OP argues for customer experience, you argue for someone else's business

OP is misrepresenting fringe usecases that the market has evolved from/moved past I used to download 800mb Photoshop binaries Now you visit it in a browser. Which is better "customer experience"?

In my experience browser based apps are sooooo slow compared to native ones.

Also no offline support at all.

And they have access to all of my data because I have to upload it.

I just want to use lightroom to edit my vacation photos, I don't want to upload all of my photos over my slow internet connection just to edit them in a high-latency browser app. Also I'm likely traveling in a vehicle without stable internet.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by wslh »

keyboard_smash wrote: post #469
wslh wrote: post #465

D̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶i̶P̶a̶d̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶e̶l̶?̶ ̶I̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶t̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶m̶ ̶f̶a̶c̶t̶o̶r̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶s̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶i̶P̶a̶d̶ ̶M̶i̶n̶i̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶r̶i̶o̶u̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶.̶ I read that it works on >= M1 processor. It is at the end of [1] before the footer: "Final Cut Pro for iPad is available on the App Store. Requires an iPad with Apple M1 chip or later…

According to the product pages[1][2], no for Final Cut but yes for Logic. > You can install Final Cut Pro for iPad on your 12.9-inch iPad Pro (5th or 6th generation), 11‑inch iPad Pro (3rd or 4th generation), or iPad Air (5th generation) with iPadOS 16.4 or later. > You can install Logic Pro for iPad on any iPad with the A12 Bionic chip or later and iPadOS 16.4 or later. [1] https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro-for-ip…

BTW, what is a good online course to learn about video editing and music for using these apps? Not looking for being Mozart or Steven Spielberg though... just to play with some extra knowledge.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by southwesterly »

KerrAvon wrote: post #455
goblin89 wrote: post #431

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As a long time electronic music producer, I make sure once installed my primary software is never updated as a rule[0]. My flow doesn’t make bouncing everything to audio feasible and there is nothing worse than opening a project you have worked on for a few months to find that it sounds… different. Counter-intuitively, learning to predict and deal with crashes and working around known bugs on the fly is way easier th…

This is a reasonable concern; this would be worth raising to Apple if you have a channel to do so. Being able to pin apps to specific versions may indeed be a requirement if your livelihood depends on their stability.

They’ll probably do something similar to Xcode and have a version download stored somewhere.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by lostgame »

rajbot wrote: post #135

Although I understand the reasoning, I’m sad to see the move to subscription pricing. I bought Final Cut and Logic a long time ago in the Mac App Store, and now my kids get to use them through Family Sharing. One of them has written hundreds of songs in Logic and published an album. The one-time purchase of Final Cut and Logic with Family Sharing and a lifetime of upgrades has been such an unbelievable value for such…

You can share Apple-created iOS/iPadOS app subscriptions with other iCloud Family members. :) I can’t see this being an exception.

My hubby and I use it all the time. :)

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by squidsoup »

H1Supreme wrote: post #475
jrajav wrote: post #237

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There's a big difference in earned trust. Waves has had scummy business practices for a long time - price gouging back in the day, and more recently, an "upgrade plan" that amounts to a barely optional subscription already. That is, unless you don't want bug fixes, M1 compatibility, etc. They also have perpetual sales cycles that only serve to trick new customers into thinking the sale price is actually a deal and no…

You're not wrong about Waves. But, I'd argue that one of Logic's most appealing features is it's low one-time price. You could have bought Logic 10.0 ten years ago, and upgraded it all the way to 10.7.5 (current release), and paid $0. Otherwise, it's feature set is really nothing special relative to other DAW's. And, if you're into making electronic music, it's pretty lackluster compared to Ableton or Bitwig (imo, of…

What makes logic lackluster in your opinion for electronic music?

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by zamadatix »

scarface74 wrote: post #389
ianlevesque wrote: post #303

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That isn’t enough to enable this business model.

It would be simple enough (yes I know I sound like a product manager” to add another rule to allow someone to download the last version they are eligible for. Apple keeps all of the previous versions of apps. They use to be available via a simple url.

The problem isn't the lack of possible way to do it well rather the lack of implemented way to do it well.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by carlosjobim »

coldtea wrote: post #464
carlosjobim wrote: post #439

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I highly suspect Apple considered the market for one-time purchases too small to bother with, right or wrong. People think and behave different around purchases when it's on an ipad, even if they by now are powerful devices.

I highly suspect Apple (like all these companies, Adobe first and foremost) merely consider the elasticity of demand when they force their customers to the subscription model. They also factor in heavily the securing of recurring income to impress their shareholders. The needs or desires of customers are never considered. Just whether enough of them suckers would yield to a subscription model.

Of course they think about their profits and shareholders. But nobody is forced to get the software, they can go with a competitor or use Garage Band - for free.

If you think somebody is a sucker for getting software as a subscription, then you are very unimaginative as to what are the needs and wants of other people. Many people are going to think it's great. Those who hate it can still buy Logic for their laptop for $200 something.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by wahnfrieden »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #488
wahnfrieden wrote: post #444

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OP argues for customer experience, you argue for someone else's business

OP is misrepresenting fringe usecases that the market has evolved from/moved past I used to download 800mb Photoshop binaries Now you visit it in a browser. Which is better "customer experience"?

Offline native apps 100%
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