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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by andybak »

lynx23 wrote: post #398
andybak wrote: post #76

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I've got a Steam Deck and I've been curious about using that as a music composition tool. The controls offer some interesting possibilities as performance inputs. The problem is that all Windows or Linux music apps tend to presume a large monitor and a mouse and keyboard. I've not found anything terribly usable.

If only we had taken the issue of accessibility seriously 30 years ago, and realise that it isn't about pesky blind people wanting to participate in the society, but actually about being able to run software with different interfaces seamlessly, this problem wouldn't even exist today ...

UI is hard and subtle and a touch interface for sighted people might be radically different from a touch interface for people with impaired vision.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by mejutoco »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #445
mejutoco wrote: post #391

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It is the simplest assumption, based on similar promises from software vendors, like life-subscription prices.

I don't think Apple is comparable to any other corp, they're in a unique position of making the only hardware that officially runs the software they make and they also make industry leading software. I'm not even an Apple user. I'm just calling it as I see it.

All corporations have things in common, at the very least legally, and more.

Nvidia, for example, meets the requirements too.

Why you would trust a company not to increase prices because they make their own hardware I am not sure.

I remember a bus company undercut by a new train service. The train was very affordable until the private bus service disappeared. Then, the price gouging started.

If we can compare that service with a SaaS I don‘t see why apple would be any different.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by H1Supreme »

oger wrote: post #54

Interesting: Apple is moving their apps to a subscription model. „ Pricing and Availability Starting Tuesday, May 23, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad will each be available on the App Store for $4.99 (US) per month or $49 (US) per year with a one-month free trial.8 Final Cut Pro is compatible with M1 chip iPad models or later, and Logic Pro will be available on A12 Bionic chip iPad models or later. Final Cut Pro…

I wonder what the fallout will look like if they make Logic on the desktop subscription based. The DAW / audio plugin community at large have resisted subscriptions quite ferociously. And considering how competitive the space is, I could see a lot of people jumping ship based on this alone.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by coldtea »

carlosjobim wrote: post #439
rgoulter wrote: post #339

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> These people are not the target group for subscriptions, nor are they the majority. The iPad app will only be available with a subscription. This majority which does not prefer subscriptions do not have the option for "high cost one-time purchase".

I highly suspect Apple considered the market for one-time purchases too small to bother with, right or wrong. People think and behave different around purchases when it's on an ipad, even if they by now are powerful devices.

I highly suspect Apple (like all these companies, Adobe first and foremost) merely consider the elasticity of demand when they force their customers to the subscription model.

They also factor in heavily the securing of recurring income to impress their shareholders.

The needs or desires of customers are never considered. Just whether enough of them suckers would yield to a subscription model.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by wslh »

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I read that it works on >= M1 processor. It is at the end of [1] before the footer:

"Final Cut Pro for iPad is available on the App Store. Requires an iPad with Apple M1 chip or later and iPadOS 16.4 or later. Downloading apps requires an Apple ID. To subscribe to Final Cut Pro for iPad you must have an internet connection."

That is currently iPad Pro and iPad Air (10.9" display).

[1] https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro-for-ipad/

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by scarecrowbob »

mirkules wrote: post #312
scarecrowbob wrote: post #205

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Well, for a $200 app that was feature complete when I bought it, I am not at all sure what I'd want them to do with it. It'd be a really hard sell to go from almost a decade of "free and professional" to a subscription model- I'd much rather have them just keep maintaining the software exactly as is so I can use it when I buy my next MBP in 2026. So I am a bit skeptical that your prediction is accurate. But I can't t…

You’re probably going to be pushed into it over time. Whether it’s because they will make it incompatible with newer plugins, or because they will make newer hardware incompatible with older Logic. FWIW, I’m in your boat too. Logic is a PERFECT DAW for me the way it is. I would be so sad to have to switch to Reaper or something, and have to go hunt for plugins.. Logic is the only thing tying me to the Mac, so I guess…

That is a relatable worry.

On one hand, I do enough work that the price of Abelton (which is what I'd move to if that happened) isn't a big deal so unless there simply is no non-subscription tool I can use I'll be okay.

However, I remain hopeful. It's a 30 year old piece of software and my understanding of Apple's model for it is to drive hardware sales seems reasonable to me.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by jahnu »

efields wrote: post #456
jahnu wrote: post #49

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As developers of professional audio plugins this is very exciting for us. The horsepower is there and the touch interface allows for some really cool possibilities. We already enjoy using AUM and Cubasis, but will be very interested to see if support for pro hardware improves now on iPad.

Do you have any insight on why bigger companies like Arturia don’t bring more of their VSTs and plugins to iOS? I’m a hobbyist music maker and I vastly prefer AUM on my iPad to working in GarageBand (logic is far beyond my needs). I just want more of the desktop plugin ecosystem to trickle down.

I can only guess but it can be a daunting prospect to get things portable. Could be their DAW abstraction or their graphics framework that causes them massive work. And let’s get real here. It’s not exactly a lucrative market. We charge much less on iOS than we do on desktop for several reasons (among them no method for resale). Yet when we launched on iOS people were shocked at our high prices (we’re not making yet another compressor or 3 band eq we’re doing complicated original stuff at the highest audio quality). We are just two people and want to make a modest income. (We would earn way way more in typical software jobs). So yeah I suspect it’s just not worth it to these larger companies. Especially with the Apple cut.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by rcarr »

vuln wrote: post #428
rcarr wrote: post #422

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Maybe. But I've been buying Apple for over a decade and this is the first year I've considered migrating off the ecosystem. I think AR glasses (not goggles) are going to be the defining hardware tech of the decade and I can see them becoming ubiquitous. If they're planning on releasing the goggles at the rumoured price point ($1500 - $3000) I think people might be tempted to jump ship.

> I think people might be tempted to jump ship. Jump ship to where? Oculus?

The replacements I’m contemplating atm are:

MacBook -> steam deck and nreal air glasses

iPhone -> any Samsung with Dex

iPad -> a Boox Tab (I mostly use my tablet for reading pdfs and writing)

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by keyboard_smash »

wslh wrote: post #465

D̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶i̶P̶a̶d̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶e̶l̶?̶ ̶I̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶t̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶m̶ ̶f̶a̶c̶t̶o̶r̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶s̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶i̶P̶a̶d̶ ̶M̶i̶n̶i̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶r̶i̶o̶u̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶.̶ I read that it works on >= M1 processor. It is at the end of [1] before the footer: "Final Cut Pro for iPad is available on the App Store. Requires an iPad with Apple M1 chip or later…

According to the product pages[1][2], no for Final Cut but yes for Logic.

> You can install Final Cut Pro for iPad on your 12.9-inch iPad Pro (5th or 6th generation), 11‑inch iPad Pro (3rd or 4th generation), or iPad Air (5th generation) with iPadOS 16.4 or later.

> You can install Logic Pro for iPad on any iPad with the A12 Bionic chip or later and iPadOS 16.4 or later.

[1]https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro-for-ipad/ [2]https://www.apple.com/logic-pro-for-ipad/

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by softfalcon »

gcr wrote: post #415
softfalcon wrote: post #359

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How does this handle latency of data transfer? I have worked with professional musicians and the delay of even 10ms across the stage annoys them. I am trying to envision how syncing DAW's through the network could possibly avoid what easily amounts to more than 20ms of delay back and forth between devices. Is this just not an issue for digital music production? It's a massive issue for live music and in-ear-monitors…

Ableton Link only synchronizes the clock, transport, and BPM. No data. It measures and accounts for latency between devices.

Well that’s frigging cool! Thanks for enlightening me!
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