Live data from Hacker News

MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

theverge.com

661–670 of 753 posts

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#661

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of us kept our trust rating for MS right around zero despite their "embrace of open source"; it seems we were correct in recognizing it as nothing more than a recognition of market realities packaged up as a marketing ploy.

Embrace and Extend.

Ya forgot Extinguish. Microsoft didn't.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#662

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

> Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for.

Money. How would it be possible for an absolutely gigantic company to stand for anything else?

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#663

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…

> You're talking about this like Microsoft ever did anything differently than what you wrote? Since when have they focused 100% on just building great products and competing fairly? They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives.

You think those licenses for Visual Studio and those Azure VMs sell themselves?

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#664

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

Many of us kept our trust rating for MS right around zero despite their "embrace of open source"; it seems we were correct in recognizing it as nothing more than a recognition of market realities packaged up as a marketing ploy.

[deleted]

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#665
post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? Because they sort of open source the tech and made it possible to build for other platforms? C# is a great language taking over the advances of Java and C/++ making things a bit better, but intentions didn't make it any better: owning the devs. VScode? A rebuild of Atom, "free" with un-disable-able telemetry with the same intention: owning the devs Buy out of github, owning the devs Rebuild of ms office for t…

> Rebuild of ms office for the web: owning users given gsuite was seriously taking over office use And Google let them win by coasting on GSuite. I use it for my business, my partner uses Office 365 for hers. In 2023 Office 365 is by far the better choice.

365 web apps are still shockingly terrible in 2023.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#666

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

> Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for.

Actually, they don't. People will continue to keep buying Microsoft regardless of how shitty their products and policies are.

Nobody was ever fired for picking Microsoft. When Microsoft products have issues, people blame Microsoft, but when anything else has issues, people blame the IT person who chose that product. The result is everyone picking Microsoft to shift blame away from themselves.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#667

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

Many of us kept our trust rating for MS right around zero despite their "embrace of open source"; it seems we were correct in recognizing it as nothing more than a recognition of market realities packaged up as a marketing ploy.

I feel like even during the IE days microsoft was coining the term “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish”.

We are just in the cycle on a modern platform. Heading out of phase 2 and into phase 3.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#668
post #647

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft’s stock price over the last 10 years has soared consistently. They have a lot of admins at small/medium companies very very willfully and loyally locked in to their ecosystem. Microsoft does not care if they piss off most of these people because they not the ones signing the contracts and the lock-in is SO BAD that even if they piss off the right people, making any change is way more trouble than they are w…

I would replace "learn powershell" with "click buttons in some wizard". I have rarely seen IT person that wants to "learn" something new or automate some process.

I've been fortunate enough work with some people who REALLY wanted to automate and do things "right" but believed so whole heartedly in microsoft they anticipated every powershell release.... But I've seen more of the "click button in some wizard"

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#669

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can actually ask Siri to navigate with Google Maps by appending "using Google Maps" to a request. So for example, "navigate home using Google Maps". Yeah, and its easy to open the link from Outlook and Teams in Chrome - just copy the link & paste into the chrome URL bar.

> How do I get Siri to navigate using Google Maps? .... You can't > You can actually ask Siri to navigate with Google Maps by appending "using Google Maps" to a request. So for example, "navigate home using Google Maps".

Has the quoted user edited their comment?

It reads differently now.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#670
post #108

IT admins have only themselves to blame for choosing Teams in the first place. Yes, it is included in O365 and it makes it a no-brainer as far as additional costs and things go. But then there's the risk that Microsoft leverage their captive and lazy market to foist other undesirable things on users... like this. And crappy news / adverts in Windows 11's 'start menu' replacement. Ready to get voted down on this, but…

I have little sympathy for the IT folks, because not only did they make us switch from Slack to Teams because Teams was "free", but they actually drink the koolaid and think Microsoft products are better . They deserve to suffer for the pain they repeatedly cause the rest of us.

Better for them. They love turning all the management knobs to cripple it and reduce “risk”.
Post reply on HN