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MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by bsuvc »

lallysingh wrote: post #637
ghostly_s wrote: post #586

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of us kept our trust rating for MS right around zero despite their "embrace of open source"; it seems we were correct in recognizing it as nothing more than a recognition of market realities packaged up as a marketing ploy.

So.. how does everyone feel about their stuff on GitHub right now?

They tend to lock issues frequently.

Presumably it is to prevent people discussing problems at length. I don't know any other reason they would do that.

It seems to go against how most other organizations use GitHub.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by doctor_lollipop »

lallysingh wrote: post #637
ghostly_s wrote: post #586

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of us kept our trust rating for MS right around zero despite their "embrace of open source"; it seems we were correct in recognizing it as nothing more than a recognition of market realities packaged up as a marketing ploy.

So.. how does everyone feel about their stuff on GitHub right now?

... or about needing a Microsoft (GitHub) account to publish Rust packages (on crates.io).

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by [deleted] »

lallysingh wrote: post #637
ghostly_s wrote: post #586

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of us kept our trust rating for MS right around zero despite their "embrace of open source"; it seems we were correct in recognizing it as nothing more than a recognition of market realities packaged up as a marketing ploy.

So.. how does everyone feel about their stuff on GitHub right now?

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by cuddlyogre »

Teams also adds links that gets sent between users to Bing, with no consideration to whether those links are intended to be public or not.

I know this because I searched for a variation of a private url generated by our system only to find several live links to things we didn't intend for the public to see.

I was able to correct that problem in about a day and there were no compromises, but I was intensely irritated with everyone involved that day.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by JohnFen »

therein wrote: post #483
garbagecoder wrote: post #431

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I hate Microsoft as much as your average Gen X tech nerd, but C# is good. I don't care what inspired them to do it.

You mean you don't care about Java?

Microsoft is terrible in almost every way, but I admit that I very strongly prefer C# over Java.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by JohnFen »

trzy wrote: post #555
Aeolun wrote: post #537

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What the hell? They’re separate words? How did I go at least half my life without knowing this.

Wait till you learn that "deprecated" and "depreciated" are different words, too.

But "flammable" and "inflammable" are the same. English is fun!!

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by 0x457 »

code_runner wrote: post #224
dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

Microsoft’s stock price over the last 10 years has soared consistently. They have a lot of admins at small/medium companies very very willfully and loyally locked in to their ecosystem. Microsoft does not care if they piss off most of these people because they not the ones signing the contracts and the lock-in is SO BAD that even if they piss off the right people, making any change is way more trouble than they are w…

I would replace "learn powershell" with "click buttons in some wizard". I have rarely seen IT person that wants to "learn" something new or automate some process.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by JohnFen »

kbenson wrote: post #471
capableweb wrote: post #324

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Maybe if they stopped trying to become monoliths, people would stop considering them as monoliths? What purpose could buying GitHub serve if they don't want GitHub to be a part of Microsoft? They are obviously trying to do everything, via a centralized organization which is Microsoft, so by all measures, they are or want to become, a monolith. Regardless of what other people in the organization is doing, the organiza…

That's sort of like condemning all of the U.S. because one state does something you don't agree with. In a large organization different departments may do different things and have different incentives, and until they overstep too much may have quite a bit of autonomy. Considering all actions taken as part of some overarching plan is probably assuming too much. Some actions probably are towards some larger strategy,…

> That's sort of like condemning all of the U.S. because one state does something you don't agree with.

It's more like condemning all of the US because it has implemented a national policy that only one state really wanted.

It doesn't matter that only one state wanted it. It's still national policy and thus fair game to criticize the entire nation for.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by 0x457 »

masklinn wrote: post #48
dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

> Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. They could not, because if they did that cartel suits would be opened within hours. I expect both the US and Europe have such suits ready to go just in case, and Microsoft (hypocritically)…

Google literally forced MS to fork Chrome by degrading the experience.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by JohnFen »

aksss wrote: post #492
azangru wrote: post #450

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> They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. And typescript!

And Azure. But aside from C#, .Net, Typescript, and Azure, what have Romans done for us?

Yeah, I beg to differ about including Azure in that list.
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