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MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by jmartrican »

grey_earthling wrote: post #598
happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

> Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. They stand for weary resignation. Same as Google and Amazon. For most people, they're just there, and you can't not use them, so what can you do? They can be as dodgy as they like, because when you point out what they're doing, most people will just be confused about why you're complaining, because you may as well be rail…

Add Adobe to that list.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by Arch-TK »

happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

"Wait, is this is the same company that shoved IE down our throats for years and got sued for anti-competitive practices?"

Really though?

It was that easy?

On my shit-list it's definitely way above Facebook, Apple, and Google. A company which has on so many occasions made my life harder and caused me to suffer. I would qualify Microsoft as irredeemably horrible, I can't imagine what they would have to do to make me consider changing my opinion of them.

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Post by xg15 »

happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

> And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil.

Is it? The cynic in me feels that the actual currency is "engagement" - how many consumers can you keep on your platform. Providing a great and trustworthy service is one strategy to archieve this, but by far not the most effective or reliable.

The big players very much seem to prefer a captive audience (through network effects, vendor-controlled hardware, closed ecosystems, etc) that cannot switch away no matter how much they personally dislike or mistrust the platform.

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Post by RoyGBivCap »

klabb3 wrote: post #468
VBprogrammer wrote: post #352

Anyone tried installing Chrome on Windows recently? I got at least 3 "warnings" about how I didn't need chrome when I could just use Edge. Honestly, I imagine a lot of people who are less competent with computers just assume they are doing something wrong and give up.

Regulators need to slap these companies in the fingers again for these ugly practices, this time hard as hell. Otherwise it’s just gonna get worse.

The fact that they didn't in the '90s demonstrated to me that the regulators are basically toothless (worthless) in my opinion.

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Post by RoyGBivCap »

efitz wrote: post #572

I worked at Microsoft back in the day when we got anti-trusted for not removing IE from Windows. Seems like there’s a lack of institutional memory over there.

Zoomers these days seem to think Bill is a benevolent do-gooder due to Gates foundation propaganda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHMoNGqQTI

Those of us who were computer nerds in the '90s know he and Microsoft were more akin to the Borg. Slashdot always used to feature Bill as Locutus on stories about him/Microsoft. This is completely on brand for microsoft.

The "reform" is entirely made up. He's the same oligarch he always was, and so are they.

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Post by panic »

happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

It’s impossible for an organization the size of Microsoft to behave according to a consistent set of values. Don’t rely on their “good graces” for an instant.

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Post by cultureswitch »

josefresco wrote: post #232
can16358p wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a technical problem. It's more of an ideology about Microsoft forcing whatever they want on users.

20 years ago this was a problem you could blame exclusively on MS. These days, they'd be negligent not to leverage their platforms to promote other products because the competition (Google/Apple) does so on a similar level.

That others are doing it too is correct and irrelevant.

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Post by CuriousSkeptic »

madeofpalk wrote: post #548
tester756 wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really picked poor thing to try to bash on since .NET ecosystem is one of the most sanest out of all ecosystems Give me something as sane, coherent and friendly as .NET ecosystem for C and C++ and I would be willing to pay for that

> since .NET ecosystem is one of the most sanest out of all ecosystems Is it? This is the same ecosystem that has .Net, .Net Core, .Net Standard, and .Net Framework as all different (and overlapping? who knows) products?

Its only .Net now.

The Core and Standard things was just there the aid the transition from Framework, which is now complete, any remains will soon be phased out entirely.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by szundi »

seabrookmx wrote: post #495
garbagecoder wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate Microsoft as much as your average Gen X tech nerd, but C# is good. I don't care what inspired them to do it.

C# is great. Also VS Code.. how many Microsoft haters on HN daily drive it? I'd have to assume quite a few! The Remote SSH extension has been a game changer for how I do development.

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