Interesting timing. 2 days ago a place I'm at switched us from Google mail + calendar + meet to Microsoft outlook + calendar + teams. I almost can't believe at how good Google's suite of tools are compared to Microsoft. I never used any of MS' office tools until a few days ago. Outlook's web app doesn't even let you click into an email to mark it as read. You have to explicitly click the mark as read button. It also…
MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
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> I can install any keyboard I want as long as it's just a skin on their keyboard. As an iOS app dev with a hobby project iOS keyboard, this is false. Third party iOS keyboards have just as much control over the keyboard UI and how each key (if it even has keys — your “keyboard” can be literally anything) interacts with text as a full fledged app does. In fact there is no way to “skin” the standard keyboard, but I wi…
yet, 20% of times, apple loads their own keyboard instead of my default GBoard :)
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
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It won't go to an embedded pane. What they're doing is this: Edge recently released a sidebar, one app in the sidebar is Outlook. The idea is that if you click on a link in Outlook, the link opens in the full Edge browser, opens the Outlook sidebar and opens the email the link was from so you have context. It's not a bad feature at all, the problem is the dark pattern forcing it.
> The idea is that if you click on a link in Outlook, the link opens in the full Edge browser, opens the Outlook sidebar and opens the email the link was from so you have context. It's not a bad feature at all Maybe, but if I have the Outlook app, a browser, and a windowing desktop environment, it seems a little superfluous.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
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> With MS' calendar all you see is a red block of color around the times they are not available. Only by default, which I believe your org can change. You have complete control over this for your calendar, as does everyone else. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/share-your-calend... > When I click into an email the title remains bold and the inbox count doesn't decrease. Also configurable.
The sharing aspect has already been done. It still doesn't show the details in the mini-view where you insert the person's name as a guest which is the most important time to see such information. You just see a big chunk of red with no details. You don't even see things like "busy". It's just a solid red color.
The key is that there are 5 permission levels: (1) None, (2) Can view when I'm busy, (3) Can view titles and locations, (4) Can view all details, and (5) Can edit.
Is that too much control? Maybe, but it's helpful when you want to share more details with teammates than you do with others, grant admins edit permissions, etc.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
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I think he means the newer versions of the stack, from the release of .NET Core 1 in 2016 and onward.
Ok, but even if it's about .NET Core; As far as I can tell the creation of .NET Core was a business decision and not because MS suddenly wanted to create a better product. More then 50% of the VM's in Azure run Linux and not Windows. On AWS and GCP the percentage VM's running non-Windows OS'es is probably even higher. That's a realistic threat to the continued existence of .NET if .NET only runs on Windows.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
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> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…
Arguably, Microsoft is why a browser's user-agent is so useless for determining supported features. https://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/ The context is explained prior, but the part I'm pointing to is: > And Microsoft grew impatient, and did not wish to wait for webmasters to learn of IE and begin to send it frames, and so Internet Explorer declared that it was “Mozilla compatible” and began to imperson…
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
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Simply put, people don't love Edge as much as they love Chrome. The browser bundled with Windows 11 is naturally Edge, but users who use Chrome install Chrome of their own volition, so forcing them to open links in Edge is extremely annoying.
I don't use either chrome or edge but why would I use a clone instead of the real thing? I never understood why Microsoft thought cloning chrome was a good thing for adoption. Edge is just chrome now but with some annoying bloat like the coupon pop-ups and pay later scams.
>It's more memory efficient in general
>It supports the Edge Webview2 framework that MSoffice apps use further cutting memory use
>It supports MDAG https://learn.mecrosoft.com/en-us/windows/security/threat-pr...
To me Edge is so competitive that I was surprised to see Microsoft getting back up to their old playbook when much of what makes edge profitable for them will be disabled on a corporate network anyways.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
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> They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. Ah yes, the ecosystems where features such as hot reloading would only be in paid offers unless the ecosystem didn't start to shout at them when their plans changed from "of course it's free" to "sorry, paid customers only". > But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives. I couldn't…
You really picked poor thing to try to bash on since .NET ecosystem is one of the most sanest out of all ecosystems Give me something as sane, coherent and friendly as .NET ecosystem for C and C++ and I would be willing to pay for that
Is it? This is the same ecosystem that has .Net, .Net Core, .Net Standard, and .Net Framework as all different (and overlapping? who knows) products?
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#549Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…
> You're talking about this like Microsoft ever did anything differently than what you wrote? Since when have they focused 100% on just building great products and competing fairly? They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives.
People who I assume are MS employees keep saying this on HN, and to an end user it's really weird. I don't need to know squat about the internal org structure of some monolith in Redmond, they need to stop screwing around with this anti-consumer behavior and regulators need to slap their hand any time they try and reach for this cookie jar.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
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I disagree with your premise. I have an iPhone (forced upon me by work) and it's ridiculous how many links still try to open in safari or Apple maps. I've tried to configure it for years and I've literally uninstalled Apple maps, but half the time iPhone keeps wanting me to reinstall it when I click a link or address. And a lot of url links open in safari instead of chrome or Firefox. Same with many other things - I…
You sound like a person who never even tried. Open Settings > Safari > Default Browser App, and select the app you want. It's really that easy.