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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by hunter2_ »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #295
dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

I disagree with your premise. I have an iPhone (forced upon me by work) and it's ridiculous how many links still try to open in safari or Apple maps. I've tried to configure it for years and I've literally uninstalled Apple maps, but half the time iPhone keeps wanting me to reinstall it when I click a link or address. And a lot of url links open in safari instead of chrome or Firefox. Same with many other things - I…

> when I click a link or address

A link to what domain?

For clicking addresses, I kind of get it: the author of the text didn't link it at all, so the OS (or whatever) gets to decide how to enhance the presentation which can include promoting a specific app. Not great, but fine.

For clicking links, it should definitely just use the browser unless an installed app's manifest has the domain registered.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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LeifCarrotson wrote: post #203
capableweb wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…

> You're talking about this like Microsoft ever did anything differently than what you wrote? Since when have they focused 100% on just building great products and competing fairly? They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives.

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by chakintosh »

can16358p wrote: post #133
chakintosh wrote: post #3

Microsoft is shoving their software down people's throats with impunity. Just yesterday I had to install VS Code for a Homebridge integration, and out of nowhere they slapped a Bing search bar bang in the middle of the desktop.

I hate Microsoft though I highly doubt that the Bing search bar came from a Vscode installation. Are you sure it is the case?

The dependences I was installing were for a plugin to control Xiaomi hygrometer through Homebridge to be able to use it in HomeKit. Among those packages there was VS Code (for some reason) some C++ redists, Python and some updates from Microsoft as well. But I can confirm the bar was official and from Microsoft.

Upon uninstalling, those dependencies, the bar never appeared again.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by mikewarot »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #203
capableweb wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…

> You're talking about this like Microsoft ever did anything differently than what you wrote? Since when have they focused 100% on just building great products and competing fairly? They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives.

>They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core.

This is a joke, right? We never, ever, needed anything other than the Win32 GUI at the core of windows, and it still works to this day. You can write Windows programs without the new stuff, in Lazarus, for example.

C# and .NET were a huge step backwards. VB6 was something easy enough for domain experts to get working, without having to hire a programmer. Delphi for Windows make it very easy for even beginner programmers to ship a clean professional Windows GUI by just building the UI and hooking events to it, with almost zero boilerplate. C/C++/C# reverse that trend and lost us all a decade or more of productivity.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by chakintosh »

tehbeard wrote: post #126
chakintosh wrote: post #3

Microsoft is shoving their software down people's throats with impunity. Just yesterday I had to install VS Code for a Homebridge integration, and out of nowhere they slapped a Bing search bar bang in the middle of the desktop.

The bing search bar is from an Edge update via windows updates as I understand. Still unjustifiable, along with the mess they made of changing default apps/browsers in Win 11.

Yep, that should be it, because among the dependencies there were a couple Windows updates.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by mananaysiempre »

kivihiinlane wrote: post #186
malermeister wrote: post #182

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I use a Firefox addon that spoofs the user agent for Google-owned sites so it delivers the Chrome version of things. Works without any issues and it's a much nicer product experience.

What is the name of this addon?

On Android, it's one of the very few allowed ones, Google Search Fixer[1].

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/google-search...

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by chakintosh »

meindnoch wrote: post #47
chakintosh wrote: post #3

Microsoft is shoving their software down people's throats with impunity. Just yesterday I had to install VS Code for a Homebridge integration, and out of nowhere they slapped a Bing search bar bang in the middle of the desktop.

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I usually go overboard with uninstalling anything related to Microsoft on my Windows installs (bar the OS obviously), but this time, I didn't have a say, the plugin required that.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by DownGoat »

jsiepkes wrote: post #265
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're talking about this like Microsoft ever did anything differently than what you wrote? Since when have they focused 100% on just building great products and competing fairly? They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives.

> They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. You mean the products Microsoft created when it became apparent they were losing the lawsuit about their embrace, extend extinguish tactics with J++ and their custom Java implementation. And also had to cough up billions of dollars in a settlement with Sun [1]. [1] https://www.infoworld.com/article/2667124/update--sun--micro...

I think he means the newer versions of the stack, from the release of .NET Core 1 in 2016 and onward.
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