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MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by stevehawk »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #220

I don't like MSFT as much as anyone else but this does feel like a misattribution of blame. On Linux, the "default web browser" is part of the XDG specification and available under the settings key `default-web-browser`. In the absence of such a standard at the DE level in Windows, it seems reasonable to me that developers would have to maintain a hardcoded candidate list of web browsers and their likely executable p…

I know it's hard for people to take the time to read the article when they could just be typing inaccurate responses.. but from the article:

> While this won’t affect the default browser setting in Windows, it’s yet another part of Microsoft 365 and Windows that totally ignores your default browser choice for links. Microsoft already does this with the Widgets system in Windows 11 and even the search experience, where you’ll be forced into Edge if you click a link even if you have another browser set as default.

The issue is that O365 is going to launch the link within the app (say Outlook) which is going to be running it on Edge, which lets them completely ignore whatever browser you would rather be using.

It's like every app on iOS that is shipping with a safari wrapper so it doesn't have to actually launch safari and give up its snooping abilities.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by [deleted] »

nickjj wrote: post #237
themoop wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most things you describe are just getting used to product difference / configuration options. Clicking an email definitely marks it as read. The calendar schedule not being revealed is a just a privacy option, each person must opt-in to share the exact meeting details. Having used both gsuite and office I find that they both get job done fairly well

> The calendar schedule not being revealed is a just a privacy option, each person must opt-in to share the exact meeting details. We've done this as far as I know. We also added each other to our directory. I can see the details of other team mate's calendars in the full view but this does not show up in the mini-view when you add a guest to an event. With Google, when you create a new event and put in a user's emai…

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by ixwt »

dathinab wrote: post #178

So anyone still thinking MS is now all good and it's not an issue that it own github + vscode + a endless list of other things relevant for especially smaller development companies? Microsoft will do whats best for them. Temporary this includes embrace open source to some degree and being reasonable nice to Linux. For example WSL can help with trying out Linux and help cross platform devs on Windows to develop for Li…

Embrace. Extend. Extinguish.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by tester756 »

capableweb wrote: post #211
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #203

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> You're talking about this like Microsoft ever did anything differently than what you wrote? Since when have they focused 100% on just building great products and competing fairly? They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives.

> They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. Ah yes, the ecosystems where features such as hot reloading would only be in paid offers unless the ecosystem didn't start to shout at them when their plans changed from "of course it's free" to "sorry, paid customers only". > But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives. I couldn't…

You really picked poor thing to try to bash on since .NET ecosystem is one of the most sanest out of all ecosystems

Give me something as sane, coherent and friendly as .NET ecosystem for C and C++ and I would be willing to pay for that

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by zrobotics »

dehrmann wrote: post #223
mrpopo wrote: post #170

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Apple blocking iPhone browsers without Webkit (excluding Chrome and Firefox). Android not exactly making it easy to change the default browser for average users either tbh Relevant XKCD https://xkcd.com/1118/

My theory on this is it has something to do with battery life. I can't think of another reason they'd limit browser engines.

Apple has an ads unit, there have been multiple other times when they have shown that user privacy is a thing that really only applies to other companies.

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Post by VHRanger »

malermeister wrote: post #182
dahauns wrote: post #143

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>They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. Sorry, but Google really isn't a saint regarding degraded experience. The shenanigans around UX for example using Google services in Firefox have a long, well documented tradition. They just aren't as overt and clumsy with it as MS.

I use a Firefox addon that spoofs the user agent for Google-owned sites so it delivers the Chrome version of things. Works without any issues and it's a much nicer product experience.

link?

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by maccard »

vetinari wrote: post #213
maccard wrote: post #151

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I have that setting set, and various links still open in chrome instead of firefox for me. In particular, links that are opened via gmail, maps or the "google" search widget.

Maps open links in Firefox for me; Gmail by default in-process with webview, but that is disable-able in settings and then it opens links in the default browser. For the google search widget, I don't use it, but after a quick check yes, it does use webview too, but also has the option to open in browser. I've not seen anything opening in Chrome for years, if ever.

> I've not seen anything opening in Chrome for years, if ever.

Except for the things that you just said open in the chrome webview, right?

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by grishka »

dehrmann wrote: post #223
mrpopo wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple blocking iPhone browsers without Webkit (excluding Chrome and Firefox). Android not exactly making it easy to change the default browser for average users either tbh Relevant XKCD https://xkcd.com/1118/

My theory on this is it has something to do with battery life. I can't think of another reason they'd limit browser engines.

Apple's reasoning is that browser engines need JIT to run JS with acceptable performance, but if they were to give apps JIT capabilities, that would significantly open up the attack surface.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by VHRanger »

kivihiinlane wrote: post #186
malermeister wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use a Firefox addon that spoofs the user agent for Google-owned sites so it delivers the Chrome version of things. Works without any issues and it's a much nicer product experience.

What is the name of this addon?

tagging myself in here as well

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by acidburnNSA »

capableweb wrote: post #106
dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…

Encarta 96 was incredible.
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