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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by LegitShady »

int_19h wrote: post #827
LegitShady wrote: post #559

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Canada's similar bill just passed senate reading on the 18th and needs to go to the house. It just says "sexually explicit material" and I'm having trouble finding an exact definition because its changed a bunch and I can't find the current definition. https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/s-210 UK https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3137 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65388255 I'm not sure where else these b…

It won't kill it, it just means that porn sites will be hosted outside of those jurisdictions, and people will use VPNs to access them if needed (which, ironically, might actually spread awareness of VPNs in general, making it harder to regulate other online content in the future).

I believe one of the largest companies, mindgeek, is luxembourghian for tax status but operates more or less out of canada.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by jimbokun »

tristor wrote: post #781
PathOfEclipse wrote: post #778

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> people in high positions within the LDS Church often go into state and local politics and elect Yep. That's called a democracy, or a Republic, depending on which word you prefer. It's literally nothing like a Theocracy, in practice or in theory. You should probably study what an actual theocracy is: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/theocracy...

It's literally a theocracy /in practice/ because the religious minority is the majority in that region, in a state literally created for them, and they have run it since its foundation on the basis of the their religious beliefs, and continue to do so. You can't get more theocratic while being inside the US.

> because the religious minority is the majority in that region

Well that's quite the oxymoron.

If they're the majority in that region, any democratically elected government should reflect their interests. Barring infractions of Constitutional limits protecting individuals, like the Bill of Rights, of course.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by jimbokun »

tristor wrote: post #815
PathOfEclipse wrote: post #807

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It's literally not a theocracy /in practice/. You don't get to redefine words to mean whatever you feel like. A theocracy is not a state that has some laws that correspond to one religion's moral code. It has never meant that, nor will it ever mean that. Here are some major practical differences between a theocracy and a constitutional republic. 1. If citizens change their mind, within one election cycle they can rep…

In your definition, theocracy is only a theocratic dictatorship, however there are other forms of theocracy, and I am pointing out one such case. I do not believe either Israel or Utah are literally theocratic, only because they have constitutions that allow the free practice of religion, but in /practice/ both are.

You are making up a new definition for a word, different from how it's commonly used.

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Post by [deleted] »

ActorNightly wrote: post #212
theclansman wrote: post #182

Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.

Except despite the vast amounts of counter-evidence, people still are somehow dumb enough to think that hiding stuff from kids works (drugs, guns, porn, e.t.c). Porn is absolutely fine for kids to watch as long as the parents properly contextualize it. The issue is that somehow societally accepted that its taboo to talk to your kid about sex at an early age, and plenty of otherwise normal parents are embarrassed to d…

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Post by rav3ndust »

poulsbohemian wrote: post #723
uncletammy wrote: post #660

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> I don't like that either and some years ago I stopped providing my ID on request. How does this work with picking up prescription medication?

Funny enough in my small town - I walk into the pharmacy, they ask the name and birthdate of the person for whom I'm picking up the meds (generally my kids), I pay and leave. On the other hand, at least for a while if you wanted to buy Sudafed (OTC) at a grocery store, they would ask for ID and write you down on a paper list. ???

They do this because pseudoephedrine (Sudafed) is commonly used in illegal production of methamphetamine. This has been a common practice since the mid 2000s, iirc.

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Post by int_19h »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #326
ActorNightly wrote: post #308

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You are totally right. While we are at it, lets ban video games because they obviously cause school shootings.

That's a strawman no? You're trying to colour my argument by associating it with another one. There are some notable differences though. If I play a violent video game then no one is actually being shot. If I watch a woman being choked and ejaculated on by 20 men calling her a worthless slut whore in a porno then I'm watching that genuinely happening. It's more akin to letting children watch videos from actual warzon…

So, would you be okay with the same kind of porn if it was all 100% simulated (but realistically enough to be indistinguishable from real stuff)?

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Post by yamtaddle »

scarface74 wrote: post #773
yamtaddle wrote: post #755

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"These are very effective but not perfectly effective" is the lamest possible "gotcha!" in these kinds of discussions.

https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/teens.html > In 2019, 37% of US high school students reported lifetime use of marijuana and 22% reported use in the past 30 days.1 Past-year vaping of marijuana also remained steady in 2020 following large increases in 2018 and 2019. However, large percentages of middle and high school students reported past-year marijuana vaping—8% of eighth graders, 19% of 10th graders,…

I remember those surveys. I did so much meth.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by wyldberry »

Way late to this, but to me this ultimately comes down to:

"How do we handle the negative externalities that access to the worlds information at our fingertips has caused?"

In theory parents are responsible for general outcomes of their children.

However, do you expect non-tech, and realistically, non security/networking people to have the toolset to understand how to set up their networks and their devices to block access to this content? It's already a hard problem to solve in enterprise, or at least non Gov/Defense enterprises (hello Bluecoat?).

A company has no incentive to block users from their content like this unless their is a negative effect from letting someone view it who shouldn't. They say "you're the parent block it". It's almost as if a child walked into a bar and said "give me a beer" and the bartender did. Then didn't get in trouble because "the parent should have stopped it".

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Post by tristor »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #830
tristor wrote: post #811

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> Consider travelling outside North America for once before making such egregious comparisons again. I've extensively traveled the world, to more than 70 countries, and have spent years of my life living abroad. The United States is far more diverse and heterogeneous than most other countries in the world, contrary to your statements. Some subsets of the US are regionally /very/ homogeneous, however, which is part of…

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> [X] Doubt

My multiple full passports say otherwise.

> Shame on all those money you wasted travelling then because you clearly didn't make good use of it.

I'm happy with my experiences. I'm not sure what parts of the world you went to, but most of the world is /very/ homogeneous. There are parts of the world that are more diverse than the US, on some variable, for instance pretty much anywhere in Africa is more ethnically and linguistically diverse than anywhere in the rest of the world. But in the mix of things, the US is not the most diverse country, but is very much near the top. Canada is more diverse than the US, as an example, but the US is more diverse than essentially any country in Europe, any country in South America except perhaps Brazil, and most countries in Asia. It somewhat depends on what you mean by "diversity"? But the US has a mix of ethnic groups, religious groups, and cultural groups, as well as languages. You only don't see it because of assimilation over generations, but each of the groups leaves their mark on those regions in the US.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by jackmott42 »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #733
tristor wrote: post #512

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> What's wrong with these people? It's Utah. Utah, for all the ways that actually matter, is effectively a theocracy operated by an ultra-conservative religious minority. Utah is about as similar to the rest of the United States as the rest of the United States is similar to the Middle East.

Hyperbole much? Comparing Utah to the Middle East is a bit disingenuous.

Not at all.
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