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It's a myth that "prohibition doesn't work" which is one of the roots of this type of thinking. It does actually work (e.g. reduce alcoholism, increase health) but it also leads to the increase in organized crime which became much more of a problem.

The increase of organized crime and the spawning of a giant black market do not seem to be indicators that prohibition "worked". Also, during prohibition it was more efficient to smuggle stronger alcoholic drinks due to the fact that a bottle of whiskey can hold more standard drinks than a bottle of beer (30 ml whiskey ~ 285 ml beer). From what I red in Johann Hari's Chasing the Scream [1], this seemed to contribute…

Muslims have been very successfull in prohibiton of all kinds of drugs and alcohol since 15 centuries.

There are clearly more factors at play than what the law says. What do you believe will happen if you drink alcohol in secret, out of range of the eyes of the State? Muslims believe this will still have consequences in afterlife. Atheists don't. Many Christians believe they'll be saved and forgiven by God as long as they are Christian.

> A 2012 study suggested that belief in hell decreases crime rates, while belief in heaven increases them, and indicated that these correlations were stronger than other correlates like national wealth or income inequality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_correlations_of_cr...

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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It harms me by making me ask permission of strangers to eat and drink what I choose. I don't think telling people to operate as mindless robots makes their job easier.

The permission is granted by your government. Either move to a libertarian paradise where 10 year olds can drink or accept that a merchant will apply measures to protect their liquor license. Far more harmful is self-checkout without a discount for free labor or treating your customers like criminals when they leave the store with their own property.

I'm saying that regulatory requirements should be less strict, so that retailers are not turned into an extension of the government. Many developed countries establish a minimum age for alcohol purchase but don't build unwieldy infrastructures around it, relying instead on the aggregate judgement of their populace.

You seem to have missed the part where I do not want to ask permission of the government for every little thing. I'm well into middle age and do not appreciate having to seek governmental approval for what I consume. I am fine with some products like alcohol being subjected to taxes to balance out negative externalities. I am not fine with the idea of showing my papers on demand.

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> With online porn, the scale and complications doing it put a much bigger burden This could be very easily done at the ISP level for the whole connection. (I'm talking best effort not a perfect implementation) Why not just block all "Adult" content by default and allow the buyer to opt in (both temporarily via password, and permanently). Then it would be a decision each household could easily make about what they wa…

Maybe I'm daft but how would ISPs be able to control it? Solely based on domain name? What about porn intermixed with other content on sites like reddit?

> (I'm talking best effort not a perfect implementation)

Correct. The first iterative step would be to simply block the big obvious domains and sources escalating the arms race. It will never be possible to keep 100% of porn out of your kids' hands, but just like alcohol, cigarettes, and getting behind a car we can setup a better starting point than "Do you promise you're older than 18/19/21? YES/NO"

It's a bit absurd that providing alcohol to minor is punishable by a fine, but we give the internet/porn industry a free pass. Also if you were to hand out porn to a minor you'd probably be hit with some kind of charge (inviting a minor to some sexuality), but the Porn industry is handing it out en masse without any repercussion

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Then we should also ban any material that contains violence until there are no more homicides. Just watching, or even enacting (as in violent games), violence doesn't make them violent beings. Why would this other outlet lead to more real-world sexual assault? I understand why one might think it a priori (without having evidence either way), but we do have evidence: the reality we live in where, to my knowledge, it h…

To respond to your edit here are some general statistics about sexual assault in the US: https://legaljobs.io/blog/sexual-assault-statistics/ In terms of increase with the availability of pornography, take a look at this chart: https://www.statista.com/statistics/191137/reported-forcible... You can see that the number of rape reports have almost doubled since the invention of web pornography.

This is one of the worst possible arguments I've seen on HN. I'm not going to address the morality issue at stake here, but you've fallen into one of the most common traps when it comes to trying to compare rates of reports over a period of time which is that population also grows. From 1990 to 2020 the US population grew from 250 million to 330 million. Additionally, as the chart you pointed out the FBI changed its definition of what constitutes rape in 2013, hence the rise in reported rape from that year onwards.

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It seems most people recognize that the proliferation of easily-available porn has been a detriment to society, but short of blocking it there has been no proposals for rectifying the situation. IMHO society seems to have just shrugged its collective shoulders about it, especially about kids watching porn and the greater availability of it. I guess we should get used to a future where porn is freely available to ever…

> It seems most people recognize that the proliferation of easily-available porn has been a detriment to society I have not heard of this consensus. Where can I find out about it?

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Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

Canada's similar bill just passed senate reading on the 18th and needs to go to the house. It just says "sexually explicit material" and I'm having trouble finding an exact definition because its changed a bunch and I can't find the current definition. https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/s-210 UK https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3137 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65388255 I'm not sure where else these b…

It won't kill it, it just means that porn sites will be hosted outside of those jurisdictions, and people will use VPNs to access them if needed (which, ironically, might actually spread awareness of VPNs in general, making it harder to regulate other online content in the future).

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> I can purchase alcohol from Amazon UK with no obvious age checks Using your UK credit card? If so, that's an age check in itself.

Here’s a common UK bank (well, building society technically) that has a Visa debit card for their kids account from 11 and up: https://www.nationwide.co.uk/current-accounts/flexone/

Yes, my kids had debit cards too. But not credit cards; those have a minimum age of 18.

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Pornography, social media, 24/7 news... will all be looked back on in history as having profound negative mental health effects, akin to how we today view smoking in the 1950s. There is a mountain of growing evidence that this is verifiably true. The exact means that Utah is using to provide ID check may be for debate, but the concept there should be an age restriction, liable to the ISP or the content provider, shou…

Exactly, see https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/

The guy behind this website is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Wilson_(author)

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The LDS church has prohibited polygamy for well over a century now: https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/polygamy-la... LGBT rights in Utah is also middle of the road among U.S. states. The LDS church also supported the recent Respect for Marriage Act unlike many other conservative Christian organizations. Your other points about climate and economy are extremely generic and not really a strong argument f…

> Consider travelling outside North America for once before making such egregious comparisons again. I've extensively traveled the world, to more than 70 countries, and have spent years of my life living abroad. The United States is far more diverse and heterogeneous than most other countries in the world, contrary to your statements. Some subsets of the US are regionally /very/ homogeneous, however, which is part of…

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