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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by dragonwriter »

tempsy wrote: post #591
lesona wrote: post #564

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You might see a lot of that personally, but the Utah legislature has a dearth of "health bro influencer" types, especially in its Senate. The chief sponsor of the bill went to BYU.[1] The co-sponsor of the bill went to BYU [2] [1] https://senate.utah.gov/sen/WEILET/ [2] https://house.utleg.gov/rep/PULSIS/ Edit: spacing

I didn’t suggest if it is happening in Utah it isn’t for religious reasons, but I don’t think criticism of porn is strictly a religious issue.

There’s evidence that the perception of “porn addiction” is mostly a religious thing, probably because it is a way of resolving conflict between the values of a religious identity group with which the “addict” identifies for cultural/social reasons and the “addict’s” preference for porn by externalizing/pathologizing the preference.

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Post by yamtaddle »

YellOh wrote: post #654
Brendinooo wrote: post #462

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We don't apply this principle to something like peanut allergies. "If your kid touches a peanut, that's on you as a parent"? No, people recognized that peanuts are harmful enough to a certain segment of the population that it's worth making changes, even changes that might inconvenience others. Besides, I'm not sure why you think that parents are able to be 100% in control of things that their children see/eat/etc. S…

What does society do to solve the peanut problem? Outside of schools, it seems totally on the parent to stop the kid from eating peanuts. The parent does the grocery shopping, asks the right questions when taking the kid to a restaurant, and lets friends/other caregivers know not to give peanuts to the child. People do "make changes" for specific allergies & food restrictions by making the information available & cre…

> What does society do to solve the peanut problem?

We mandate labeling. We could not do that and just say "parents, you must run a peanut-detection lab or have extremely restricted diets of only food you make yourself, to keep your kids safe", but we don't.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by jeroenhd »

mminer237 wrote: post #188
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I am guessing something like the device knows its owner is under 18, and websites can query “is the user under 18” to disable itself.

So it would be up to Google and Microsoft to verify people's IDs, tie their identities to their devices, and ensure only verified persons use a device? That sounds 1000% worse for privacy.

Google already does this for Youtube due to EU legislation. They allow using a credit card to verify or using standard government ID.

Then again, a 1 cent credit card validation charge isn't going to stop any kids from using the magic digits printed on their parents' cards so that system probably wouldn't hold up.

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Post by russdill »

jeroenhd wrote: post #732
wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

> "nipple of the female breast" IANAL, but what would happen if you took a picture of a male nipple and used that to censor the female nipple? Would it be okay?

I think it would fall under "depiction". Something doesn't have to be a photo to be considered pornographic by legal or even lay standards.

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Post by yamtaddle »

scarface74 wrote: post #503
Brendinooo wrote: post #462

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We don't apply this principle to something like peanut allergies. "If your kid touches a peanut, that's on you as a parent"? No, people recognized that peanuts are harmful enough to a certain segment of the population that it's worth making changes, even changes that might inconvenience others. Besides, I'm not sure why you think that parents are able to be 100% in control of things that their children see/eat/etc. S…

Yes and forcing people to show ID has really stopped underaged drinking and making drugs illegal have stopped people from smoking weed.

"These are very effective but not perfectly effective" is the lamest possible "gotcha!" in these kinds of discussions.

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Post by throwaway743 »

freedomben wrote: post #734
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It's embedded by the puritanical roots of the US. It's nonsense really.

I agree generally that there is some serious puritanical roots in the US that are still at heavy play today. But there must be more to what's happening than just that. in other threads it's bewing shown that many European countries and Canada are passing similar laws. Puritanical roots of Europe?

Honestly, idk enough about what's happening in Europe or Canada as it relates to this topic, but it's possible that there are other cultural or historical factors at play. My initial assumption is maybe it's due to a rise in conservatism in certain countries? Again, idk, I haven't been keeping up with the news on this.

What's going on exactly? Which countries?

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by erenyeager »

I think a good way to combat pornography companies is to smother them in liability problems. Absolute many children and adults have had negative externalities due to the spread of pornography in society and specially use of it on phones and in computers. It is not healthy or normal or good for so much of growing teens’ attention to be focused and spent on these deeply harmful things. I know growing up that pornography led me as a minor to engaging in sexual conversations and sending nudes to adults and other minors, helped by apps like Kik, Snapchat, Reddit, etc. absolutely these companies all need to be held more accountable for the effects of NSFW activity on their platforms.

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Post by l1tany11 »

nathan_compton wrote: post #465
sophacles wrote: post #423

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How about: If you don't want your kids to see it, that's on you. Either accept that you are a shitty parent who can't raise children to your satisfaction, or get better at parenting. Don't force consequences on me just because you are incompetent.

I'm against forcing people to provide their ID in order to see pornography. Indeed, I am, if anything, supportive of adults being able to understand and fully experience their erotic lives, as long as no one is harmed, and to do so anonymously where possible. But your attitude is, in a historical context, weird. At basically no point in history has it been the case that the sole responsibility for the well being of c…

Historically the level of privacy we have now is a recent phenomenon. What would nudity, sexuality and pornography be like if it weren’t taboo at all? Maybe societies role in this matter is creating the problem in the first place. And the best thing for it to do is to abandon the puritanical principles that probably lead to the issue in the first place.

If the community’s role is to protect children, maybe the community shouldn’t be creating the trap in the first place.

Children are curious creatures. It’s natural that they are curious about sex and the human body. In the past they could look around and see members of their family, tribe, etc nude and having sex. Now we’ve taken that away and made it taboo. You can either do nothing, try and lock it away harder, or go the other way.

It’s a very complex issue though so there’s nothing close to easy. But this kind of legislation seems like a fight that has just as much to do with a particular religious viewpoint as it does anything to do with “protect the children”.

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Post by claudiawerner »

sbaiddn wrote: post #273
welshwelsh wrote: post #201

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Why do you think that? I think it's a good thing for minors to have unrestricted access to porn

Call me a prude. Call me old fashioned. Call me small minded. But watching a woman getting chocked while DPed in her anus while a half dozen men ejaculate on her is not the type of extra-curricular activity [1] I want my soon to be teenaged daughters' boyfriends interested in. Im just... overprotective I guess. [1] If anyone calls me out for knowing what's on the front page of all of these smut sites, guess what? We…

>But watching a woman getting chocked while DPed in her anus while a half dozen men ejaculate on her is not the type of extra-curricular activity [1] I want my soon to be teenaged daughters' boyfriends interested in.

If this is consensual, it actually sounds rather fun. But it's interesting that the example is simply an amalgamation of relatively common things:

* Choking is a common kink * Anal sex is a common sex act * Group sex is at least a common fantasy; I don't know how common double anal penetration is outside porn though * Providing and receiving facials is also quite common as an alternative to spitting.

All of the acts are relatively innocuous on their own, but the combination is portrayed to be almost demonic :)

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Post by filoleg »

vxNsr wrote: post #420
newswasboring wrote: post #348

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> It’s probably about as dangerous to minors as sitting the minor in a room while 2 consenting adults have sex, or taking that minor to a strip club. I think you have not seen the average porn online these days. Its way, way more extreme than this.

More likely they have not had sex or been to a strip club. Whenever I see people argue that porn is just like sex they always turn out to be minors or young adults who have only ever experienced porn and not intimate relationships.

That's a solid hypothesis.

After being to strip clubs just twice in my life, and with both of those being very different experiences, I have to agree with you. Comparing it to porn (let alone an actual intimate relationship) is like comparing watching fast & furious movies to average driving experiences. While F&F movies are technically more wild, the real life experience of actual driving (even if it is technically waaay more mild than in the movies) is way more stressful/impactful/etc, to the point where even making the comparison feels ridiculous.

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