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PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

vlunkr wrote: post #166

I hope these laws don’t devolve into a special internet for Utah (and maybe more red states in the future). Remember this is about social media too. This is eventually going to hit even Hacker News if the law is actually effective. Is HN going to jump through the hoops of complying with the law or just block Utah?

Realistically this is what Utah wants. Only 60% of Utah residents are Mormon, but 85%+ of their elected state representatives and senators are Mormon. They are happy to force the rest of society to carve out a space "just for them", which is pretty much in line with their entire history anyway.

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Post by jfarina »

vlunkr wrote: post #169
deet wrote: post #138

For those who think this is just a Utah peculiarity, it's not. There have been attempts in Europe: - https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-porn-ban-digital-economy-... - https://www.wired.co.uk/article/germany-porn-laws-age-checks And its quite related to other pushes for age verification for social media services, as Utah and states like California have proposed: - https://www.axios.com/2022/09/16/california-law-websit…

If you’re concerned about privacy and anonymity, two huge strengths of the internet, it’s terrible.

Calling the internet private and anonymous is wishful thinking. Data is constantly owned, bought and sold.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by hbn »

theclansman wrote: post #174
taylodl wrote: post #160

The funny thing is the minors know how to use a VPN to get around this law whereas the many older users don't! So, in Utah the minors will be able to access porn and many of the adults will not! Good job Utah!

Not quite, have you not been following the news that new generations are worse with technology than the previous ones? Minors barely know how to use a computer nowadays, they only use smart phones.

Every third YouTube video has a pause at midroll for the host of the video to thank the sponsor, a VPN service. Smart phones can use VPNs, even iPhones. Kids know about them, and they certainly will when they see 20 second tutorials on Tiktok for how to access state-blocked sites.

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Post by brookst »

DrThunder wrote: post #146
brookst wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you arguing that booze is protected speech?

Are you arguing allowing children to view sexual acts is legally protected? Should we open up strip clubs and brothels for kids?

I was going to type out lengthy post educating you on the first amendment, content-based restrictions on speech, strict scrutiny, and responsible parenting.

But then I was struck by the absurdity of good-faith engagement with someone who equates a de facto ban on adults enjoying pornography with bordellos for children.

I hope you find peace and learn to accept yourself before you harm too many others in the name of whatever it is you hate so much about your own character.

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Post by theclansman »

wesleywt wrote: post #39

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The porn industry exploits vulnerable women and ruins their lives, forces them to do stuff they never signed for and much more. You trying to paint this issue as a white and black political thing makes you dismiss all the victims from this industry. You're basically dismissing it as "if you're part of this specific political team you should support/be against this"

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Post by mminer237 »

shhsshs wrote: post #180
denton-scratch wrote: post #157

Pornhub reportedly says that rather than requiring identification, it's better to "identify users by their device" - what does that mean? If you're going to require ID, what does it matter how you acquire that ID?

I am guessing something like the device knows its owner is under 18, and websites can query “is the user under 18” to disable itself.

So it would be up to Google and Microsoft to verify people's IDs, tie their identities to their devices, and ensure only verified persons use a device? That sounds 1000% worse for privacy.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by brookst »

hgsgm wrote: post #132
brookst wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law is more about intent than technical compliance. Both are important, but the most important thing is demonstrating good faith efforts to comply. It's a very different world from technology, where technical compliance is more or less the same thing as policy compliance.

What is "technology policy compliance"? Technology is technical. Policy is political.

You quoted something I didn't say?

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by taylodl »

An identity provider can make verified age one of the claims on an OAuth token. It removes anonymity, but at least you don't have to provide your personal details to everybody on the internet demanding age verification. You provide those details to your trusted identity provider, they provide the claim of your age to the website.

With that in place we can easily make beer, liquor, marijuana and tobacco sales on the internet possible! And porn too, I guess.

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