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Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by sofixa »

bbarn wrote: post #244
kibwen wrote: post #160

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My serious chef friends (one professional, one amateur) swear by their induction stoves. Their expensive high-end gas ranges are gathering dust. Once you've tried induction, going back to gas feels absolutely primitive.

I've had three in different places I've lived, and while they are fantastic temperature-wise, the software and interface is always what infuriates me. They are almost all touch interfaces to keep the flat glass aesthetic, which is absurd because spills happen on stoves and touch interfaces don't work wet. Additionally, most of them automatically detect pans being removed and turn off. An annoying feature for an exper…

> Additionally, most of them automatically detect pans being removed and turn off

Induction only works when the pan is on it by definition.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by thephyber »

Natsu wrote: post #343
specialist wrote: post #319

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Yes and: One view is private vs public capitalism. USSR vs USA, respectively. Extreme wealth concentration at the expense of everyone else. Both are anti-democratic.

I think the USSR would object to being called capitalist, since they were one of the major Communist revolutions until their economic collapse. And in this vein, we shouldn't forget Mao's "four pests campaign" in China under Mao which caused mass starvation by killing sparrows which had been eating insects, leaving them with a literal plague of locusts. Mao would probably have murdered anyone who called him a capital…

Your parent didn’t call the USSR “capitalism”, they called it “private capitalism”. I’ve never heard that term before so I’m guessing it was ad hoc.

I’m guessing the public capitalism / private capitalism has to do with where the ownership of property, concentration of human capital is, and there the market making prices are found. In that sense, the public/private dichotomy mostly works. Sure, Communists argue there is more virtue to their system than simply market making and state owned property, but those are effectively downstream / derived qualities.

And Mao murdered tons of people (both directly and the way a mob boss would have) for many different reasons. He probably was the kind of person who might murder someone because he woke up on the wrong side of the bed. I don’t think that matters much in this discussion and I don’t think we should self-censor our thoughts because the ghost of a terrible person might hear us.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by gdy »

xyzzyz wrote: post #226
vegetablepotpie wrote: post #209

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Lithium is not the only cause of aquifer depletion in Chile, avocado farms have also been responsible for depleting the wells of residents [1]. These outcomes, as the article alludes to, are due to the privatization of resource rights, which is a consequence of Pinochet government going all in on the policies Milton Friedman promoted [2]. Citizens of Chile are more victims of neoliberalism than they are of any partic…

What about drainage of Aral Sea for short term gain, were Soviet citizens also victims of Soviet neoliberalism?

It wasn't drained and the gain wasn't short term -- the water from the rivers that used to flow to the Aral See is used for irrigation.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by gdy »

pfdietz wrote: post #304
jtbayly wrote: post #277

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Thank you for proving my point. The contempt is real, not perceived.

This contempt is the flip side of the freedoms granted by the constitution. The government is not allowed to enforce certain behaviors. That social control is left to the public itself. The bizarrely irrational behavior from the red states doesn't even make sense in its own terms. If this doesn't merit contempt, nothing does.

Civil war any time soon?

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Post by grogenaut »

eric-hu wrote: post #377
grogenaut wrote: post #350

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I'm not hugely invested but I do prefer cooking on gas. I've had element stoves, they suck. I then had gas, it's great. I stayed in an Airbnb for a month and a friend's condo for a week with induction, it was better than radiant but worse than gas to me. Also the power goes out at my house about 2x a year when we have windstorms. The stove still works, induction doesn't. So I can still cook and make coffee. My other…

That’s really interesting that the particulates were comparable from induction and gas cooking. If you did any more comparisons and recorded them anywhere, I’d be curious to read more about them. I’m guessing this might be a temperature dependent issue. I enjoy using a cast iron to brown meats, but I really dial it back in homes without true range hoods (e.g. they vent back indoors). If I go for maybe 25% browning, I…

The sensor I used was one of these (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NSGY7B3) attached to a ESP32 sending data to my grafana/prom setup on my nas. If you have done those it's like 2 hours of work and about $40 per sensor/esp pair. I couldn't leave the house without a respirator when our aqi got up to 650 for 2 days.

Anyway it's pretty easy to play around with. I didn't save the data anywhere unfortunately.

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Post by Natsu »

mejutoco wrote: post #387
Natsu wrote: post #343

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I think the USSR would object to being called capitalist, since they were one of the major Communist revolutions until their economic collapse. And in this vein, we shouldn't forget Mao's "four pests campaign" in China under Mao which caused mass starvation by killing sparrows which had been eating insects, leaving them with a literal plague of locusts. Mao would probably have murdered anyone who called him a capital…

It is irrelevant if the object of the calling agrees or not on the name. Otherwise nobody would ever be called anything bad.

That only works if you have some way to justify it to begin with and is rather transphobic to make other people the sole arbiters of one's identity.

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Post by sangnoir »

sangnoir wrote: post #249
rnk wrote: post #231

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If you want to, you can find coastal elites that dislike anything, even say electric stoves. So what, why do people have all these grievances because of a sense that someone somewhere doesn't like their choices? I'm from the south, I'm positive people there don't like some of my my life choices, I don't go around feeling mad about it. Blaming coastal elites just seems like an excuse to ignore evidence of problematic…

It's a persecution complex. That's how how get members of a majority religion absurdly claiming they are "being persecuted" when reminded that other religions exist.

"We can't even say 'Merry Christmas ' anymore" is not persecution.

Especially when it's other Christians who popularized "Happy Holidays" as they felt Christmas was being overly commercialized.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by CyberDildonics »

SoftTalker wrote: post #392
CyberDildonics wrote: post #203

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Because gas stoves are the easiest to replace. If someone doesn't have gas lines in their house, they'll just use an electric stove. Replacing a water heater or furnace either needs heat pumps or resistive heat and it becomes potentially much more expensive. Stoves don't matter in the big picture here, they are secondary to whatever people are already doing for heat.

If you have a gas stove, you probably don't have a circuit or wiring or receptacle to plug in an electric stove. So you'll need to get a 240V circuit installed, which for most people will require hiring an electrician. Same as putting in a heat pump.

So what? You already have electricity. If you don't have a gas line to your house, you aren't going to get one for a gas stove. Again, gas stoves are secondary to having gas in the first place, focusing on them is nonsense whether someone wants gas or not.

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Post by Natsu »

thephyber wrote: post #402
Natsu wrote: post #343

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I think the USSR would object to being called capitalist, since they were one of the major Communist revolutions until their economic collapse. And in this vein, we shouldn't forget Mao's "four pests campaign" in China under Mao which caused mass starvation by killing sparrows which had been eating insects, leaving them with a literal plague of locusts. Mao would probably have murdered anyone who called him a capital…

Your parent didn’t call the USSR “capitalism”, they called it “private capitalism”. I’ve never heard that term before so I’m guessing it was ad hoc. I’m guessing the public capitalism / private capitalism has to do with where the ownership of property, concentration of human capital is, and there the market making prices are found. In that sense, the public/private dichotomy mostly works. Sure, Communists argue there…

That formulation erases any distinction between capitalism and anything else, leaving it as just an empty synonym for badness. I'm calling out the intellectual emptiness of that use as an epithet here.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by vel0city »

tomp wrote: post #391
vel0city wrote: post #389

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According to the EPA, agriculture accounts for 10% of GHG emissions. https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emis... Building a nuclear reactor isn't going to make steak go away. So even if you solved.for transportation and industrial uses and everything else you're still only at 90%, not 99.99%. > If we had boundless nuclear energy, More of this "nuclear energy will be too cheap to meter" talk. Nucle…

Transportation emissions are caused by fossil fuels. As for agriculture, check the rest of the page. Besides CO2, there's also methane and NO2 emissions, both of which are part of a cycle, so they have no long-term impact. The entirety of long-term impact of agriculture is, again, fossil fuels, which is literally digging extra C from the ground and adding that extra CO2 into the atmosphere (technically, TBH, it's als…

You're right, methane breaks down in the atmosphere. What does it break down into again?

> The point is if we invest much more in nuclear, it will become too cheap to meter

So if we ignore the financial costs (invest today) it'll become too cheap to meter.

If nuclear plants can generate with costs If nuclear is cheaper than all other energy sources (too cheap to even meter in costs) why is there any energy kind of energy usage and why would it need massive investment to make it happen? If your costs are practically zero, isn't your profit margin essentially 100%? Shouldn't all nuclear power plants be making money hand over fist competing against expensive nonrenewable resources?

And yet it's often one of the more expensive sources of electricity today.

Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of nuclear and wouldn't mind seeing more of it but not if my electricity bill is 30¢/kWh+. That's not moving towards too cheap to meter.

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