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Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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It's interesting to see that people still believe there is some type of fair price discovery when things like dark pools, market maker exemptions, naked shorting, tokenized securities, trillions in derrivative bets (hello 2008), spoofing (JP Morgan getting fined 1 billion after making 10 billion in profit in gold price spoofing) and so on and so forth exist. Speculation and gambling about what future prices will be a…

"The secret of success in business is to know something no one else knows." —Aristotle Onassis How do you spell "insider trading?"

Insider trading involves trading that violates a fiduciary responsibility. That is: you work for a company owned by shareholders, and you trade based on information you have as a consequence of that employment, harming the shareholders.

Without that fiduciary responsibility, it's not insider trading, it's just trading. If you overhear someone with inside information talking about some inside knowledge, then trade based on that, you're in the clear (as long as you didn't collude with the leaker.)

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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> But that practically means they are based on speculation about possible future supply and demand, and we are more or less taking it on faith that that speculation is correlated to actual supply and demand. This statement almost seems tautological. Of course prices are based on speculation about possible supply and demand, nobody has a crystal ball that can tell them “actual” supply and demand. In a competitive and…

> Of course prices are based on speculation about possible supply and demand, nobody has a crystal ball that can tell them “actual” supply and demand. Exactly, no one has such a crystal ball. And this actually generally applies not just to future supply and demand, but even to the past: it's actually impossible to measure supply and demand across any significant industry, to check whether prices matched it or not. An…

> You might expect that if you believe in the law of supply and demand, but as we were discussing, that is not how prices are actually formed, and anyone betting based on observed supply and demand (to the extent that it is actually possible to observe them) will be beat in general by others who are betting based on current speculation, which is how prices are actually formed.

But we do see prices approach optimal. Your argument is predicated on the idea that the law of supply and demand is only a useful model if the actual price always follows observed supply and demand. But for that to ever be true, it would require speculators to have a crystal ball, otherwise there’s no reason to believe the speculated price will always match the “optimal” when the point in time being speculated about actually occurs.

The law of supply and demand tells what market systems will trend towards. But like complex control system, having a governing idea about long term trends doesn’t mean momentary perturbations don’t occur, it just helps you understand what the system will do after the perturbation.

To claim that the law of supply and demand is useless, is like claiming that Hooks Law is useless for understanding how suspension systems in cars work, because perfect springs don’t exist, and cars don’t remain stationary.

Perfect markets don’t exist, perfect information doesn’t exist, so why would anyone expect real markets to perfectly follow the law supply and demand? And clearly markets do follow the law of supply demand at the macro level, when long periods of time are considered, otherwise commodity pricing would be entirely arbitrary and wouldn’t in anyway reflect the value of the commodity to society at large.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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> A legacy of the Pinochet era in Chile is the privatisation of minerals and water, which gives companies ownership of those resources in an area. While mining operations squeeze this already dry region even drier, communities lose their access to potable water, leaving them relying on tankers to deliver it. “We used to have a river before that now doesn’t exist. There isn’t a drop of water,” says Rivera. “And not on…

As a former citizen of the USSR, I have to object to linking environmental issues to private property. The Soviets did all kinds of tremendously bad things ranking, from geo-transformation to placing the heavy industry in the middle of cities. From what I read about North Korea, the entire country is ruined by various extraction and industrial projects.

Tragedy of the commons at scale.

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For serious chefs, gas ranges remain far superior to their electric counterparts. I’ll be the first in line to buy an induction cooktop that performs as well as a high end gas range, but we’re not there yet.

My serious chef friends (one professional, one amateur) swear by their induction stoves. Their expensive high-end gas ranges are gathering dust. Once you've tried induction, going back to gas feels absolutely primitive.

I've had three in different places I've lived, and while they are fantastic temperature-wise, the software and interface is always what infuriates me. They are almost all touch interfaces to keep the flat glass aesthetic, which is absurd because spills happen on stoves and touch interfaces don't work wet. Additionally, most of them automatically detect pans being removed and turn off. An annoying feature for an experienced cook who tosses food around in a pan with one hand.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Their wiring supports more than twice the watts of a standard North American power outlet. Better electric kettles, better induction cookers, etc.

This is true of standard wall outlets which are 110V but not for integrated appliances like ovens and induction cooktops which can pull 200+ volts from your breaker panel. The problem in the USA isn’t your power, it’s your weird habit of buying combination stove-and-oven units. Stop it.

It really is silly, as wall mounted ovens are so much nicer to use in practice, and moreover occupy real estate nothing else is usually using at that level.

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Forget burning, even pumping gas to residences is itself a big source of emissions, because of how leaky the pipes are. Between two to seven percent of all gas put into the system is lost directly to the atmosphere, and it's a very potent greenhouse gas. One way or the other, it needs to go away. It's not performative, it's necessary for achieving long-term emissions goals, and it's low-hanging fruit.

> and it's a very potent greenhouse gas. It is still good to fix if it contributes to a significant amount of warming, but it isn't cumulative like CO2: it eventually degrades in the atmosphere.

> it eventually degrades in the atmosphere.

...into CO2

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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The space is saturated with anti-EV FUD.

Same thing happens with the gas stove threads. I can’t believe that actual people are that invested in burning hydrocarbons.

The gas stove bans are idiotic and petty to defend based on environmentalist principles. The amount of gas burned by those stoves makes roughly zero impact compared with all the other hydrocarbons we burn.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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> One way or the other, it needs to go away. Sure, agreed. > It's not performative... Right now it very much is because, as you say: > ...it's low-hanging fruit. As I said: > ...banning natgas cookstoves is a few pennies saved on like a thousand dollar expenditure. and > [Low-impact, high-visibility stuff like that is done because] it's way easier than making a real dent in the underlying problem If you'll pardon the…

Setting aside the validity of your claim that it’s just a “few Pennie’s on a thousand dollar expenditure (which I strongly disagree with…banning natural gas hookups would be worth it even if climate change wasn’t a problem). Your argument basically boils down to “I’m in debt and need to start spending thousands of dollars less. Cutting out this completely unnecessary expenditure will only save me a few dollars so I s…

If I ordered the non-avocado toast at my weekly brunch, I'd be able to afford a house.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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“ perceived as holding them in contempt”? They have been told explicitly in prime time TV that they are held in contempt. It’s not an issue of perception on this front.

If you want to, you can find coastal elites that dislike anything, even say electric stoves. So what, why do people have all these grievances because of a sense that someone somewhere doesn't like their choices? I'm from the south, I'm positive people there don't like some of my my life choices, I don't go around feeling mad about it. Blaming coastal elites just seems like an excuse to ignore evidence of problematic…

It's a persecution complex. That's how how get members of a majority religion absurdly claiming they are "being persecuted" when reminded that other religions exist.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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So basically, we can’t switch to EVs because people don’t have enough money. The crowd that thinks poverty is the solution to climate change proven wrong once again.

We could switch to buses, trains and bicycles though, with even greater impact on reducing emissions.
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