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> You might also want to look up the paradox of tolerance, it's a fun read.. I often see 'paradox of tolerance' cited as meaning something like: "if you're intolerant, I don't have to tolerate you". But, as Popper put it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance """In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can cou…
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> They made those recordings confidential and stalled official attempts at investigation as much as possible. They made the recordings unavailable to Congress because several members of Congress are being investigated for their involvement. Also, it's not a legal responsibility of Congress to investigate criminal and terrorist attacks - that responsibility belongs to the police, as the responsibility to ensure the sa…
I know they had the recordings. They just didn't release them because they obviously implicated Lula and his people. They literally buried Lava Jato. Biggest corruption scandal in the country and they erased it all. Lula actually gets to claim he's innocent, they dropped the charges. You think I trust anything these people "investigate"? Not a chance. I'll take my chances with the court of public opinion. It's got wa…
Because the police wouldn't want to alert the people being investigated they were recorded committing crimes.
> they obviously implicated Lula and his people
There is no evidence in any recording made available. Quite the contrary - there is ample evidence of misconduct by the district's police that answers to the secretary of public safety, who was visiting Bolsonaro at the time, by the military, and by the members of the institutional security cabinet, mostly carryovers from the Bolsonaro government.
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Here are some links 2014 https://tjournal.ru/52954 2015 https://m.sobaka.ru/city/city/35154 2017 https://360tv.ru/news/proisshestviya/pavel-durov-razbil-tele... 2017, a story that confirms that Telegram was still being developed in Saint Petersburg, years after the "exile" https://vc.ru/flood/26634-telegraf-gram-rozenberg
Thanks! Very much appreciated. I guess I have to admit he has been in Russia at least 2 or 3 times since 2012. (The 2017 story is low on verifiable details I think although I admit I read it through Google Translate.) The last story however seems to be about Telegram, an anti spam company that owned a minority share in Telegram and fell out with Telegram, not the company that develop Telegram, doesn't it?
As for the last story: I was a bit sloppy about that link, the story I was referring to is better covered here [1] (that's a disgruntled employee spilling beans).
The fact that Telegram was still being developed in that Zinger building in St Petersburg was not particularly secret either, VK'S HR was not coy about the fact when showing me around the office. I also heard the same from multiple people working in that building.
[1]: https://medium.com/@anton.rozenberg/telegram-telegraph-durov...
I am more disturbed by the fact that the infrastructure was already in place to instantly block Telegram as soon as a judge ordered it.
Happens all the time in the UK.
Note: The original first amendment was: "WE DECLARE, That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; that all power is inherent in the PEOPLE; and that all free governments are, and of right ought to be, founded on their authority, and instituted for their peace, safety, and well being. For the advancement of these ends, the PEOPLE have, at all times, an indefeasible right to alter and reform their government."
That one was never ratified.
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If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
Edit: you posted dozens of ideological battle comments in this thread. That's not cool, and we ban accounts that do it. Please avoid such flamewars in the future, regardless of how strongly you feel or how wrong others are or you feel they are.
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> There are videos of him preaching ideas like having the government give everyone what they need to "survive" Oh no! People should _not_ have what they need to survive. Anything but that! I mean, won't somebody think of the investors?
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You are correct. Brazilian had a CIA backed dictatorship during cold War, and when it ended people made sure to make a constitution that would prevent another one. Sadly the constitution is being ignored for a while now, the current government is strongly against free speech, the previous government also had issues. Meanwhile the Supreme Court are the ones that really hate the constitution, for example a guy was arre…
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Edit: also, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35760334 - that kind of comment is a bannable offense.
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Could you please stop using HN for ideological battle and flamewar? You've unfortunately been doing a lot of that. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for, and we end up having to ban accounts that do it (regardless of what they're battling for). Edit: also, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35760334 - that kind of comment is a bannable offense.
On the other hand, I think a thread like this one also fits your description of ideological battle and flame war. It is very political and deeply biased, including inflammatory comments about imprisoning and killing people for their political ideology. We see that in threads about religion as well, which are very lightly moderated but contain uncivilised content. If you allow trash and ban the pushback, eventually HN will devolve into Truth social or equivalent when it comes to politics.
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Could you please stop using HN for ideological battle and flamewar? You've unfortunately been doing a lot of that. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for, and we end up having to ban accounts that do it (regardless of what they're battling for). Edit: also, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35760334 - that kind of comment is a bannable offense.
Ok, got it. I can see how my comments were inflammatory in this thread and will refrain from that in the future. On the other hand, I think a thread like this one also fits your description of ideological battle and flame war. It is very political and deeply biased, including inflammatory comments about imprisoning and killing people for their political ideology. We see that in threads about religion as well, which a…
We can't exclude divisive topics altogether—that would not be consistent with the mandate of this site (see https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... for lots of past explanation about why). So we ask users on all sides of divisive topics to respect the site guidelines, and each other, by posting thoughtfully and not collapsing into flamewar.
Everyone with strong passions feels like the other side is posting inflammatory trash and they themselves are merely providing pushback. This feeling is part of the standard equipment that everyone brings to a flamewar, so you can't let yourself be guided by it.
What you need to do instead (<-- I don't mean "you" personally, I mean all of us) is hold yourself to a higher standard and not break the rules even if other people are breaking them badly. If you make a good faith effort to do that, then you can just about compensate for the default bias of feeling like "the other side started it and did worse" and approximately level the field.