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Can't they also throw the representative in jail (etc)?
They can, and they have. Big Tech representatives in the country have been jailed for not fully complying with court orders. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-executive-released-fro... Google representatives too, if I remember correctly. Something to do with Google not erasing some celebrity's leaked nude photos from search results.
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They can, and they have. Big Tech representatives in the country have been jailed for not fully complying with court orders. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-executive-released-fro... Google representatives too, if I remember correctly. Something to do with Google not erasing some celebrity's leaked nude photos from search results.
Jailing people for that is beyond horrible. Why would anyone want to appoint a legal representative in a country that does things like that, I have no idea.
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Yes sure. It's just very efficient apparently. More than expected for government technical stuff.
When I worked at an ISP we had standard procedures to follow when receiving requests from legal authorities. All our contacts were strictly mediated by our legal team, who filtered requests and prevented any direct contact with the authorities (which could lead to complying to illegal requests).
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Apparently they didn't learn much, given that MTProto 2.0 still uses IGE. Or still derives the IV from a hash of the message. The article you link does not mention "cloud encryption". What is that? TLS?
The cloud encryption is what I linked, the Server-Client encryption. Just below it, you can see E2E.
I'm fairly certain it is deeply connected to Russia. People believe it's encrypted but it's not for group chats or default for direct chats. They have money when Telegram is expensive to run, not to mention they can easily threaten Durov's life. The Russian network block and letting people use Telegram again was the government squeezing their biggest source of users and income until they acquiesced.
Sorry but this sounds like conspiracy theory stuff. It is encrypted client-server so your message is misleading. And Durov as far as I'm aware is in Dubai. Russia blocked Telegram in the past and because they actually failed (it was still most popular messenger in there despite the block), so they decided to give up the block and started pumping their own propaganda on their own channels.
While in the same reality aggressively fight TOR, block VPNs, enforce passport registration, etc. etc. There's even a man jailed for running a tor node!
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Telegram has a long history of obfuscation when it comes to court orders. In Brazil, they simply ignored previous court orders until they were banned. They played a similar trick in Germany too, and backed down after heavy fines: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-takes-on-telegram-to-fight-ext... So, I wouldn't take anything they say at face value. It's not only about giving out the information they have on these individ…
They did not "simply ignore" the court order. They did give the data they had, thats being all info about the groups owner. Furthermore, the court asked for info such as CPF number , home address and Bank account information. How the hell is this reasonable? Furthermore, if you just blocked every platform just because it "had nazis on it", or even better, any kind of criminal group, hell, you should just block the wh…
"Sucedeu-se que, nos termos do que demonstrou suficientemente a autoridade policial, essa empresa cumpriu apenas parcialmente a ordem judicial que lhe foi dirigida, uma vez que se limitou a fornecer as informações concernentes ao administrador (e não a todos os usuários) do canal “Movimento Anti-Semita Brasileiro”, deixando, ademais, de fornecer os dados dos usuários do grupo “卐 Frente Anti-Semita 卐”. (...) não se sustenta a argumentação, desenvolvida pelo Telegram, de impossibilidade de apresentar os dados relativos à "卐 Frente Anti-Semita 卐", à míngua da demonstração cabal de que esse grupo (chat) foi excluído há mais de seis meses, contados da data em que recebido o ofício judicial do evento 16 (do contrário, incide sobre o provedor o dever previsto no art. 15 da Lei n. 12.965/2014)."
In other words, the judge ordered all information they had (including CPF) about all users of the groups. They gave only what they had on the admin of one of the groups, and then said they couldn't give any info about the other group because it had been closed. But not storing info for at least 6 months is against the law.
To me it's clear Telegram is in contempt of court and should be severely punished.
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Ah, the great slippery slope argument. Assuming good faith, most developed countries have hate (and similar) speech laws, with Nazism being explicitly banned in most (all? maybe Spain/Portugal/Switzerland are exceptions) of Europe. Same goes for antisemitism, or in general racial/religious hatred/discrimination to various extents. It's not a slippery slope "oh what will they ban next", it's "this kind of thing has pr…
> You might also want to look up the paradox of tolerance, it's a fun read.. I often see 'paradox of tolerance' cited as meaning something like: "if you're intolerant, I don't have to tolerate you". But, as Popper put it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance """In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can cou…
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The server side is still proprietary. They could have just given "dummied" source code to "independent researchers". Chances are ALWAYS against regular people.
How would that make any difference if the traffic is end to end encrypted, though? Maybe they do something with the metadata, but so can every other messaging service. This paranoia that everything is linked to Russia is just nuts.
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They can, and they have. Big Tech representatives in the country have been jailed for not fully complying with court orders. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-executive-released-fro... Google representatives too, if I remember correctly. Something to do with Google not erasing some celebrity's leaked nude photos from search results.
Jailing people for that is beyond horrible. Why would anyone want to appoint a legal representative in a country that does things like that, I have no idea.
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Oh no! People should _not_ have what they need to survive. Anything but that! I mean, won't somebody think of the investors?