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New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by aaron695 »

lesuorac wrote: post #18
rayiner wrote: post #17

And NPR told me that the possibility of gas stoves being banned was fake outrage: https://www.npr.org/2023/01/20/1150228734/the-facts-and-stra... .

> And NPR told me that the possibility of gas stoves being banned was fake outrage: https://www.npr.org/2023/01/20/1150228734/the-facts-and-stra... No they didn't. > MARTÍNEZ: Look, Jeff and Lisa, I don't know what's going to happen with gas stoves. Also NPR was talking about the Federal government. While the article above is talking about the New York _State_ government.

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Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by rayiner »

ryukafalz wrote: post #30
john_shafthair wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electric resistance heat is super inefficient. That's why it's often referred to as "emergency heat". Ironically the best combo is a heat pump + natural gas furnace as a backup. Best of both worlds. But here we are making those illegal so we can pretend to save the planet.

> Electric resistance heat is super inefficient. That's why it's often referred to as "emergency heat". Yes, which is why it only kicks in when the heat pump isn't enough. Which is not most of the year!

The problem is when it kicks in for everyone in the neighborhood at the same time on an especially cold night and causes a brown out. (Happened to me this winter.)

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by ou8_1_2 »

SigmundA wrote: post #37
jrockway wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bigger problem is getting a feed to your house that can handle your hot water heater, stove, washing machine, and electric car charging all at once. That's rather impractical in some areas, so there is some work to coordinate between the appliances so they can share a smaller feed. The way some stoves are participating is that they charge a battery at relatively low current all the time, and then cook from the batt…

Worst case at 240v : Electric hot water heater = 20 amps Electric stove = 50 amps all burners on and oven Washing machine = 15 amps Car charger = 50 amps Total = 135 amps Standard residential service in the US = 200 amps split phase @ 240v Whats the problem?

All the other 15 amp circuits people take for granted for things like lights, the clothes dryer and the heat/cooling system you left off your list (heat pump + air handler + emergency heat coils)...

Add in the 80% rule and 200amps doesn't go as far as one might hope in a gas free-house.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by galleywest200 »

im3w1l wrote: post #31
orra wrote: post #28

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> If that's your contingency plan, check that a safety valve doesn't close when power is lost. And for good reason. Gas cookers require ventilation, to prevent carbon monoxide build up. An electric extractor fan won't work during a power cut.

Well you could open a window.

In the middle of the night while you are asleep?

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by galleywest200 »

Only 24% of my state (Washington) has gas stoves. We have already begun the process to ban Natural Gas into new buildings. Nothing major is happening and the sky is not falling.

If you are curious about your state's ratio of gas to electric stoves, you can check here [PDF warning]: https://www.eia.gov/consumption/residential/data/2020/state/...

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by galleywest200 »

someonehere wrote: post #22

Berkeley attempted this and it was recently overturned: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/court-overturns-berkeley-califo... California's electric grid is in horrendous shape. We can barely keep the power on in the summertime, especially when wildfires happen. When the power is out, am I expected to start a fire in my yard to cook food? Fire up my JetBoil? My BBQ?

Most states in this the country has less than 50% gas stove usage. This would not be an issue in most states. CA, NY, NJ can catch up to the rest of us.

https://www.eia.gov/consumption/residential/data/2020/state/...

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Post by orra »

im3w1l wrote: post #31
orra wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If that's your contingency plan, check that a safety valve doesn't close when power is lost. And for good reason. Gas cookers require ventilation, to prevent carbon monoxide build up. An electric extractor fan won't work during a power cut.

Well you could open a window.

Sure, but my point is to remember to do that. Extractor fans are for more than extracting the smell of onions or fish.
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