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Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by function_seven »

nostromo wrote: post #167
rchaud wrote: post #157

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How would a nonprofit expect to compete against Google? It's not exactly evenly matched is it? Firefox on desktop has been more than good enough anyway.

Firefox competed against fairly successfully against Microsoft for a decade. They still spin off massive amounts of cash -- they just piss it away on their foundation, and not improving the product.

> Firefox competed against fairly successfully against Microsoft for a decade.

My recollection was that Microsoft had stopped innovating on IE6 almost entirely during that decade, right? Or at least for the few years that enabled Firefox to get a foothold.

> They still spin off massive amounts of cash -- they just piss it away on their foundation, and not improving the product.

Hard agree on this. So many side quests when the main quest is not done.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by crazygringo »

GCA10 wrote: post #26

Just started testing Brave Search, and it scored a rare 100 on the first test: If you type in the name of a favorite boutique hotel, will you get that hotel's true website -- or the usual hairball of third-party intermediaries? (For anyone who's ever tried to modify a reservation, the difference is astonishing. If you're booked with the hotel, all kinds of adjustments are at least possible. If you're booked with Book…

Are you counting ads as results?

I just put "the 252 boutique hotel" into Google (without quotes) and the first non-ad result is the hotel's own website. It's also first in Brave. And first in Bing. So no difference here.

Generally in my experience, I've never had a problem finding a hotel's website via Google.

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Post by bubblethink »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #38
thrdbndndn wrote: post #36

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Huh, interesting idea. I personally deliberately book though Booking and alike because it's so nice to have everything hotel related in one place especially when having long trips.

I always buy directly from the hotel assuming that I will be treated better due to the hotel earning more money from me due to not having to pay commission to a travel agent. Also, I assume there is less probability of errors since when you reserve on a travel agent website, your reservation goes through an additional system before it gets to the hotel.

> I always buy directly from the hotel assuming that I will be treated better due to the hotel earning more money from me due to not having to pay commission to a travel agent.

I have never found this to be true unfortunately. I have some conference related travel coming up, and the conference made some deal with Hilton for a special rate. Hilton's link wouldn't work, and I made 5 calls trying to get them to offer a discounted rate to no avail. Eventually had to book at a discounted rate on hotwire (same as the conference's rate), which presumably made Hilton 20-30% less. At scale, hotels are just operated like commodities. Unless you are really special (loyal and big spender), you won't get any special treatment.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by wazzer »

nostromo wrote: post #164
bazmattaz wrote: post #149

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Can I ask what’s so good about YT on Brave? I use the iOS app but could change. Does it block ads?

Yes. If you browse YouTube on mobile via the Brave browser it blocks all YouTube ads. I haven't used the YouTube app in a year...

same here, couldn’t live without it.

btw: it’s also possible to go to fullscreen mode, then go directly to the home screen so that the pop-over player is activated, then the video keeps playing while the screen is looked, with controls working from the lockscreen.

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Post by j1elo »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #68
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #63

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I have yet to find an occasion where directly booking a hotel would give a better or even the same price as booking through booking and the likes.

All the big hotel chains will usually give ~5% off for reserving directly since they pay ~15% to OTAs. They will require you to be a “rewards member”, but that is just checking a box since you already have to give them your personal information.

I got the feeling that it's the opposite. We pay the Booking fee. I've had hotel receptionists give me their card and say "If you come back some other time, just call to reserve directly with us, so you can save the x% that Booking charges for your reservation!"

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by carlosjobim »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #63
lotsofpulp wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always buy directly from the hotel assuming that I will be treated better due to the hotel earning more money from me due to not having to pay commission to a travel agent. Also, I assume there is less probability of errors since when you reserve on a travel agent website, your reservation goes through an additional system before it gets to the hotel.

I have yet to find an occasion where directly booking a hotel would give a better or even the same price as booking through booking and the likes.

You have to ask for a discount, they can't offer or advertise it.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by mathgorges »

Spivak wrote: post #56
burkaman wrote: post #46

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That's the first result on Kagi, but I think that's because they just call Google behind the scenes for you. Edit: I didn't mean this to be an insult, I pay for Kagi and use it exclusively. But actually, the Kagi and Google first page of results look fairly different for this query, so Kagi is doing more curation and ordering than I realized.

That's pretty much how all small search engines work, but with varying backing indexes. Kagi's value-add is Google quality index (since they literally pay for it), no ads, their ranking algorithm, and tools to control the results that Google doesn't give you like blacklists and your own weights. $25/mo is unfortunately a little steep because their lower priced option with 700 searches/month is comically small. On jus…

This. Kagi is a great product and has been my daily driver for nearly a year. I honestly believe it's the best search engine on the market

But I fear they're going to have to get their prices (and relatedly, cost per search) down considerably before I can recommend them to anyone again.

I was fortunate enough to be grandfathered into an unlimited plan until March, but I don't think I know any professionals, e.g. people using a search engine to get work done, which search less than 24 times per day.

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Post by manuelmoreale »

nostromo wrote: post #164
bazmattaz wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I ask what’s so good about YT on Brave? I use the iOS app but could change. Does it block ads?

Yes. If you browse YouTube on mobile via the Brave browser it blocks all YouTube ads. I haven't used the YouTube app in a year...

Unrelated, but the same result is achievable by using Safari and 1Blocker for the people who don’t feel like installing another browser but are tempted by the mobile, ads free YouTube experience on iOS

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Post by torial »

lisasays wrote: post #127
poszlem wrote: post #125

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> but ultimately it's a matter of editorial control, not censorship. So is all censorship. No censor calls censorship "Censorship". An example from my country of birth: Main Office of Control over the Press, Publications and Performances, since 1981 the Main Office of Control over Publications and Performances - the central office of state censorship in the Polish People's Republic. It was a censorship body (analogou…

So is all censorship. Sorry, but that's not what the word means. By definition, it refers to the interception of communications between others . That's now what's happening here.

That isn't the only definition. For example Cambridge's definition of censorship (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/censo... )

"the action of preventing part or the whole of a book, movie, work of art, document, or other kind of communication from being seen or made available to the public, because it is considered to be offensive or harmful, or because it contains information that someone wishes to keep secret, often for political reasons:"

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by xarthna »

I have been using Brave Search for a year now. It has been great. It provides relevant results and I love how Brave AI floats a summarizer to the top with cited and hyperlinked material when applicable.

Very rarely I will need to hit the Find Elsewhere 'Google' button. This is usually done for niche technical searches where Google prioritizes some forums dedicated to the topic like Reddit or Stack Overflow. I _could_ re-search with the site operator, but after scrolling down with the Google escape hatch there, the flow just seems more natural.

Just as an aside, I have also been experimenting with SearX searches. The experience isn't as streamlined as Brave Search, but I can incorporate Brave Search into my results. I find the value proposition interesting for SearX, but implementation still lacking.

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