I guess that explains why the quality in its search results has been trending downward for me.
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Wanting to avoid tedious repetitive flamewars, of the sort that destroy an internet forum, is hardly to favor Hitler.
Internet forums have a strong default tendency to burn themselves to a crisp. The idea of HN, for 15+ years now, has been to try to stave that outcome off as long as possible.
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
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The Mozilla CEO is to blame for the chaos they caused around Firefox, and them losing market share to Chrome for the past 14 years. Mozilla is so dysfunctional that the CEO is rewarded a massive bonus for running the company to the ground and laying off their employees. They are not interested in competing against Chrome; instead they are chronically dependent on Google's money and on life support, making over 80% of…
Mitchell Baker's salary is outrageous.
Mozilla Foundation Total revenue: 600 million
Salaries and benefits - management & general: 81 million
https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2021/mozilla-fdn-202...
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DDG is too busy adopting the censorship policies of Big Tech to innovate against them.
You mean in not caving to conservative-friendly "free speech" preferences? Its decision to downrank state-sponsored disinformation? One can question the wisdom of these decisions - but ultimately it's a matter of editorial control, not censorship.
I want search, not editorial guidance from a search engine.
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DDG is too busy adopting the censorship policies of Big Tech to innovate against them.
You mean in not caving to conservative-friendly "free speech" preferences? Its decision to downrank state-sponsored disinformation? One can question the wisdom of these decisions - but ultimately it's a matter of editorial control, not censorship.
> but ultimately it's a matter of editorial control, not censorship.
So is all censorship.
No censor calls censorship "Censorship". An example from my country of birth:
Main Office of Control over the Press, Publications and Performances, since 1981 the Main Office of Control over Publications and Performances - the central office of state censorship in the Polish People's Republic. It was a censorship body (analogous institutions were present in all countries of the so-called Eastern Bloc) examining all forms of official information communication from the perspective of their compliance with the current state policy, and prohibiting the dissemination of unwanted information and content by the ruling communist party.
The name "The Censors" was only adopted after the collapse of communism.
I rub my eyes in amazement every time I read people on HN praising censorship and rejoicing that someone will decide for them what they can read and what they can't.
I am not able to understand how foolish one has to be to not realize that eventually the censorship organs will be used against you too.
Perhaps you think you will always hold the "correct" beliefs in which case I admire your lack of imagination.
I miss "hackers" from the 90s with some actual backbone.
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search.marginalia.nu consisted of 1 Swedish engineer and 1 server last I heard and still managed to outclass DDG in a number of query types relevant to me. In fact, back when I used DDG I think I fell back to marginalia more often than I fell back to Google, partly because of my dislike for Google and partly because Google doesn't respect my queries - which of course is a contributing reason for my dislike for them.…
> Remember: In the first 20 years of Google existence (or in any 20 years of the semiconductor age until recently) Moores law had over 13 cycles. A lot of what used to be hard problems before isn't anynore. The web also grow tremendously, and probably user expectations too (in the beginning of the century we were told in school not to speak to search engine like we would to a human, but with keywords and operators).…
If anything my expectations sunk massively between 2009 and the introduction of Kagi.
To be blunt: for me, mainstream search engines Google and Bing very much feel like the things they replaced, Altavista and Yahoo, just with some fancy bolt ons like maps etc.
I understand some people like to be able to write sentences to their search engines, but as long as the results have worse quality than they had 15 - 20 years ago, that "understanding" is just another fancy bolt on feature.
The only things that exist today that could threaten Google quality is Kagi which has gone all in on quality and ChatGPT (and other similar solutions) which finally have produced a working "answer machine" instead of breaking perfect or at least working search engines.
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You mean in not caving to conservative-friendly "free speech" preferences? Its decision to downrank state-sponsored disinformation? One can question the wisdom of these decisions - but ultimately it's a matter of editorial control, not censorship.
> but ultimately it's a matter of editorial control, not censorship. So is all censorship. No censor calls censorship "Censorship". An example from my country of birth: Main Office of Control over the Press, Publications and Performances, since 1981 the Main Office of Control over Publications and Performances - the central office of state censorship in the Polish People's Republic. It was a censorship body (analogou…
So is all censorship.
Sorry, but that's not what the word means. By definition, it refers to the interception of communications between others. That's now what's happening here.
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I don't care if people disagree with me, and I wouldn't have anything against him if he was just personally bigoted and wrote about how much he hates gay people on his blog or something. I don't think people should be canceled for expressing opinions, but that's not the same as funding an effort to actively harm people. He is entitled to his opinions, but he is not entitled to enforce them on other people.
> he is not entitled to enforce them on other people In 2008 when Proposition 8 was on the ballot, that Eich privately supported, even President Obama (candidate at the time) was publicly against gay marriage. There needs to be some historical cultural context, supporting Prop 8 in 2008 is different than supporting Prop 8 in 2023. Now if Eich said he would support it in 2023, that's a different matter. But I would st…
I don't think there need to be any historical cultural context. It was just as wrong and bigoted then as now. It's not an excuse that most people agreed with him at the time.
If I accepted that agreeing with the majority makes everything okay, I couldn't criticize the many horridly immoral things the majority still agree with today.
I still use Brave sometimes, and I would probably still use it if he did the same thing today, but I will continue to think he is a bad person unless he at least donates the same amount (adjusted for inflation) to a charity that supports LGBTQ+ people.
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> I assume there is less probability of errors since when you reserve on a travel agent website, your reservation goes through an additional system before it gets to the hotel My intuition says the opposite. More moving pieces in the system, more fragility in integration of different systems.
Is that not the same as what I wrote?
Rereading it I think it’s ambiguous, and I definitely didn’t read what you intended (after clarification).
The problem is that the phrase “I assume there is less probability of errors” is not attached to a condition.
It’s a bit like that revolving ballerina dancer illusion
Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index
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You mean in not caving to conservative-friendly "free speech" preferences? Its decision to downrank state-sponsored disinformation? One can question the wisdom of these decisions - but ultimately it's a matter of editorial control, not censorship.
I want search, not editorial guidance from a search engine.
Then use a different search engine.
To call what DDG is doing (or what a newspaper does when it chooses not to print your foaming, incoherent editor to the letter -- as is, you know, its right) "censorship" is just silly.