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Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by arp242 »

eYrKEC2 wrote: post #124
lisasays wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean in not caving to conservative-friendly "free speech" preferences? Its decision to downrank state-sponsored disinformation? One can question the wisdom of these decisions - but ultimately it's a matter of editorial control, not censorship.

I want search, not editorial guidance from a search engine.

It's a search engine's job to rank results; there is no other way to do it: only one link can be in position #1, only one link can be in position #2, etc.

Or in other words: "editorial guidance" is pretty much the entirety of a search engine's job: you give it a large set of documents (the internet), some user input (what you typed in the search box), and it ranks – or "editorializes" – the set of documents to something useful for you.

And at the same time you also have to account for SEO haxx0rs and outright malicious actors who will try to phish your CC details.

Do you want some crackpot website if you search for "Barrack Obama" which claims that he is literally the anti-Christ to be at #1? Or even on the first page at all? Or rolexxxx.com if you search for "buy rolex"? Or bank-of-amerrrica.ru if you search for "Bank of America"? Probably not. A naïve ranking algorithm will end up with that.

There is no perfect way to do this; it's a hard problem. Platitudes like this make it sound easy, but it's not.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by marginalia_nu »

eYrKEC2 wrote: post #124
lisasays wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean in not caving to conservative-friendly "free speech" preferences? Its decision to downrank state-sponsored disinformation? One can question the wisdom of these decisions - but ultimately it's a matter of editorial control, not censorship.

I want search, not editorial guidance from a search engine.

I don't think what you want exists or has ever existed. A search engine that does not exercise judgement about relevance and quality will just return noise.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by time_to_smile »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #38
thrdbndndn wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh, interesting idea. I personally deliberately book though Booking and alike because it's so nice to have everything hotel related in one place especially when having long trips.

I always buy directly from the hotel assuming that I will be treated better due to the hotel earning more money from me due to not having to pay commission to a travel agent. Also, I assume there is less probability of errors since when you reserve on a travel agent website, your reservation goes through an additional system before it gets to the hotel.

I worked for a travel startup for a bit and after that experience I only book airfare and hotels directly.

Specifically with airfare, a 3rd party is not allowed to sell for less than the airline directly, so it's always better options since it is much easier to reschedule/cancel/refund directly with the airline. Plus, if you travel a lot, it is better to find a favorite airline and stick to them. Any bonus "features" offered by a 3rd party I can assure you are either not in your interest or actually a scam.

I don't know if the pricing rules applies to hotels, but I'd rather pay extra then get to the hotel and be screwed over last minute because some 3rd party is trying something "clever" behind the scenes and it turns out it ruins your travel plans.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by marginalia_nu »

eitland wrote: post #95
riku_iki wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they have 200 employees on linkedin, many of whom are not engineers. How they can carry two such major and complicated projects(browser and search) with such headcount?

search.marginalia.nu consisted of 1 Swedish engineer and 1 server last I heard and still managed to outclass DDG in a number of query types relevant to me. In fact, back when I used DDG I think I fell back to marginalia more often than I fell back to Google, partly because of my dislike for Google and partly because Google doesn't respect my queries - which of course is a contributing reason for my dislike for them.…

> search.marginalia.nu consisted of 1 Swedish engineer and 1 server last I heard and still managed to outclass DDG in a number of query types relevant to me.

Still just 1 dinky lil' consumer hardware server in my living room. I think what is limiting the project the most is the hardware. Like I can definitely squeeze more out of it, but I could probably do 100 times more if I had any sort of operational budget.

But at least the development is funded for the moment. We'll see where I am when the NLnet money runs out...

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by Method-X »

brianbreslin wrote: post #145

How does Brave monetize this? How do they monetize their app in general? Is there a ppc ad platform they're offering?

Yes, it was launched at the beginning of April (I signed up). Also, they offer a subscription plan for $3 per month.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by metalliqaz »

logicalmonster wrote: post #92
IceWreck wrote: post #8

How is it that Brave managed to build an indexer and remove dependence on Bing in less than two years but DuckDuckGo hasn't been able to do it in a decade.

DDG is too busy adopting the censorship policies of Big Tech to innovate against them.

what do they censor?

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by bazmattaz »

kashkhan wrote: post #75
nextmove wrote: post #67

I love how on mobile Brave browser you can add YouTube videos to your Brave playlist and then play them while your screen is locked. Also I switched from StartPage to Brave search, but I do wish Brave search had a translator feature. Like on StartPage I just search "translate" and get an input box. I find it better than most other browsers' translators.

using Brave on an iphone for Youtube is a godsend. Almost as good as desktop experience. Youtube app, Safari and Chrome suck enough to be unusable

Can I ask what’s so good about YT on Brave? I use the iOS app but could change.

Does it block ads?

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by metalliqaz »

riskycodes wrote: post #146
brianbreslin wrote: post #145

How does Brave monetize this? How do they monetize their app in general? Is there a ppc ad platform they're offering?

Yeah, but you opt in, and you receive a share of it (in their altcoin) if you do.

they lost me at "altcoin"
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