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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by Derbasti »

ivlad wrote: post #488
Derbasti wrote: post #194

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Looking at Android, where sideloading has been available forever, there doesn't seem any evidence of your worry.

Recent example: https://www.reuters.com/technology/google-suspends-chinas-pi... Malicious app in alternative store, the one in Google Play is different.

That's exactly the point, though: side loading is not something to worry about, since normal users won't and shouldn't care about it at all. It is not a threat to the Apple App Store.

But it does allow for niche applications such as NewPipe and F-Droid, for technical users who know the risks.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by smcleod »

heavyset_go wrote: post #452
PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #405

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> And you cannot use a third party browser, since they forbid that (all are Safari based) I think this has turned out to be the current barrier in preventing Google from completing taking over the web standards space.

Apple's ban of all browsers but Safari turned out to be the main barrier preventing progressive web apps from being viable, deepening the duopoly power of themselves and Google, because Apple refuses to implement basic browser standards that are necessary for PWAs. And then when they do implement similar browser standards, they don't follow any web standards, they instead make their own proprietary bespoke web standa…

I'd hate to see PWAs take hold - browser based apps are never as good on any platform. Give me native apps any day.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by justeleblanc »

Muromec wrote: post #305
LMYahooTFY wrote: post #247

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> I'm also pretty confident that if apple and their services disappeared tomorrow, my iphone would keep on working just like it does today. Sure, no more updates, no more new apps, it would be frozen in the state it's in. You can hardly call that "working like it does today". It doesn't. When features on it inevitably cease to work or be interoperable, you're screwed. And every day, you're probably more vulnerable to…

>If I buy a house, I can learn to maintain it and keep it secured. I can't do that with my iPhone. For the argument's sake, your ability to do things to your own house is restricted by zoning, by HOA and god forbid you from buying something of historical significance in Europe -- then you can't change anything inside or outside and you are responsible for it.

> god forbid you from buying something of historical significance in Europe -- then you can't change anything inside or outside and you are responsible for it.

What an exaggeration. Do you think such hyperbole strengthens your point? At best it makes you sound ignorant.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by oblak »

suddenclarity wrote: post #340
beebeepka wrote: post #252

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Games on steam are not rented

It's mostly semantics for this context. You purchase the right to use them for an unspecified time, not the game itself. Steam can revoke that access by shutting down your account or the service at any time. DRM will make sure that not even games you have installed will continue to run.

They have no right to delete installed games, do they? How, exactly, is steam going to prevent you from accessing the files on your computer? They are always there and ready to be archived by you and even Steam itself.

Now, some, or even many, new games may refuse if they are somehow extremely dependent on the service. The ones that I have tried run fine. Most old stuff, though.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by AmericanChopper »

galleywest200 wrote: post #617
AmericanChopper wrote: post #301

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Because these restrictions on iOS are legitimately valuable security controls. Apple decides what functionality is exposed to applications, decides who is allowed to publish applications, screens the applications they do publish, and ensures that I have the ability to consent to the permissions they are required to explicitly and in clear language request. I can safely install any application I want off the App Store…

>Because these restrictions on iOS are legitimately valuable security controls. Excellent. Let me, the owner of the device, choose how to use it. If I want it to be "less secure" that is my choice. >If Apple created a methodology for circumventing this process, all of a sudden it is something that I have to worry about Then do not use side-loaded app stores if you do not want to. Your device, your choice.

I know there won't be any convincing you, but these types of thoughtless comments are why sensible discussion on this topic doesn't happen very often. Thoughtless anit-Apple comments are no more insightful than thoughtless Apple fanboy comments.

My preference is to have a device where there are no technical means to side load apps (as that is a security control), and to have a device where a publisher cannot attempt to force me to use a side-loaded app store. I explained my reasons for having those preferences, and if you'd like you can respond to that. But this comment simply ignores all of that. You say "my choice", while ignoring all of the reasons I provided for why these changes could potentially undermine my ability to choose entirely.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by otterley »

nabla9 wrote: post #170
otterley wrote: post #138

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The migration process is, you ask your carrier for a new eSIM. They send you one via QR code. That's pretty much it.

> you ask your carrier for a new eSIM. When your phone breaks, that's not a easy task.

You take your replacement phone, connect it to WiFi, then continue the process.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by rpastuszak »

justeleblanc wrote: post #619
mnd999 wrote: post #550

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Apple knows what they think is good. It turns out lots of people agree or they wouldn’t be so successful. You have a choice, if you don’t like it buy an Android phone. Or a Sailfish phone, or a KDE phone our one of the other open source phones where the only “apps” are low quality PWA crap. Look how successful they are.

The fact that they're successful doesn't mean that they're right about every single decision they make. This kind of reasoning is inane.

I think the parent is mistaking the effect for the cause, and our choices as consumers are limited. Hence the choice often is the flavour of the lesser evil we're most comfortable with.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by justeleblanc »

Reason077 wrote: post #559
reustle wrote: post #441

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If you travel to more than 1 or 2 countries per year, especially less developed countries, you'll learn that your life (connection) depends on picking up cheap $5-15 sim cards at the border for each country. I couldn't imagine them jumping on the esim train in any useful way in the near term.

In theory, eSIMs actually make life easier in that scenario. Easier to get online in a new country if you don’t have to first seek out a physical SIM card. Plus you keep your home SIM secure in the phone where there’s no danger of losing it. Instead, just get on WiFi when you arrive, take your pick of cheap offers, and download the eSIM directly to your phone. > ”I couldn't imagine them jumping on the esim train in a…

> Instead, just get on WiFi when you arrive, take your pick of cheap offers, and download the eSIM directly to your phone.

Or before you even get there.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by exabrial »

hurtuvac78 wrote: post #250

Apple being motivated by improving security are BS, and it pains me te see people in this forum falling for it or reapeating this. There is a great tool to increase security: the browser and its sandbox. You don't need to install anything fishy on your phone, and the sandbox rights coukd be sufficient for many apps. But as an example, Apple denies the full screen feature for websites and even PWA... only installed on…

PWAs and SPAs are awful. And to think they’re not downloading and executing code is foolish. There is no memory model for a browser. Each browser implants is sandbox however it wants.
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