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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by Joeri »

Derbasti wrote: post #194
jpalomaki wrote: post #180

I think Apple has also done good things with their strict app store policies (from my consumer point of view). Apple has been for example putting limits on data collection and tracking. The main mechanism is to kick apps out from Apps store if they don't play by the rules. I'm worried that side loading will be a step back here. Strong players, like Facebook, may just take their app away from the official store and di…

Looking at Android, where sideloading has been available forever, there doesn't seem any evidence of your worry.

Apple will make it annoying enough to sideload that no meaningful amount of users will do it, causing it to be largely irrelevant.

It’s only worth it to app makers to have side loading if they can do it for large numbers of users, bypass the app store’s rules, and bypass apple’s take. I’m expecting apple to set it up in a way they can do none of those things, by making it cumbersome to sideload, not giving entitlements to apps not published through the store, and by taking a cut for sales from sideloaded apps.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by beebeepka »

tpxl wrote: post #145
hooby wrote: post #143

I think the central question here is: .) whether you buy a phone as a piece of hardware and then own that hardware - which gives you certain rights regarding the usage of that owned hardware or .) whether you are just paying some sort of admission fee to a tightly controlled service, and are basically "lent" a piece of hardware that you have no ownership rights over. All the other stuff about walled gardens, monopoli…

As far as I'm concerned if you 'bought' something, it should be yours to do as you please, including reselling and destroying it. If you didn't buy something, but rented it - for example a game on Steam or Epic Games store - then it should damned say so. It's a straight up lie to say you purchased something if you didn't.

Games on steam are not rented

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by herbst »

beebeepka wrote: post #252
tpxl wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I'm concerned if you 'bought' something, it should be yours to do as you please, including reselling and destroying it. If you didn't buy something, but rented it - for example a game on Steam or Epic Games store - then it should damned say so. It's a straight up lie to say you purchased something if you didn't.

Games on steam are not rented

They pretty much are according to their ToS

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Post by vore »

pmontra wrote: post #173
kaba0 wrote: post #85

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What’s good about physical SIMs? I do like apple for daring to improve the status quo there, so I want my European Edition with only e-simsz

The last time I dropped my phone and broke its screen I took out the SIM and left the phone in a repair shop. I went home, put the SIM in an old phone. If the broken phone had an eSIM, would I been able to use the old one as a backup? Maybe by going to a shop and askig for a physical SIM. That would be slower and less convenient. A physical SIM fits in a Samsung A40 which is probably the smaller and lighter Android p…

If your old phone was also eSIM compatible, you can just download the eSIM from your carrier like you would if you moved to any other phone.

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Post by heywhatupboys »

m463 wrote: post #208
jpalomaki wrote: post #180

I think Apple has also done good things with their strict app store policies (from my consumer point of view). Apple has been for example putting limits on data collection and tracking. The main mechanism is to kick apps out from Apps store if they don't play by the rules. I'm worried that side loading will be a step back here. Strong players, like Facebook, may just take their app away from the official store and di…

This is naive. Apple doesn't protect you. The prime example is that apple gives apps unfettered access to network connections. And YOU are unable to block this in any meaningful way. What apple doesn't give you is the ability to manage your own phone. You cannot really manage what apps are doing yourself. You cannot even find out what apps are doing. And you definitely will not be able to manage apple apps, they get…

> This is naive. Apple doesn't protect you.

Apple has no commercial interest in breaking the users privacy and trust. Their business model is not to sell ads or work with 3rd party advertisers.

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Post by toyg »

AlfeG wrote: post #68
syrrim wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're presumably claiming that european devices will be less secure.

Or usability of this feature would be so frustrating, that no one will use. Constant security popups on every start, very limited available API for apps, etc...

There is law and there is the spirit of the law. The ECJ can be pretty fast when they feel someone is taking the piss.

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Post by squeaky-clean »

shrx wrote: post #253
zacksiri wrote: post #242

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No. Preventing people from doing something "for their own good" is never the right solution. Instead, we should strive to educate people on proper online safety measures so that they don't fall victim to fraudulent attempts.

That hasn't worked out for the past 30 years and with every passing year there's more to learn. Telling someone they need to spend several hours to learn how to safely use their device is a good way to market the competitor where that's not required.

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #228
realusername wrote: post #177

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No study managed to prove a loss of revenue with piracy, you are not going to be the first app in the world to experience it.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3577670

That's a paid study, it's worthless. You are very disingenuous by providing it.

> It has to be noted that the research was carried out as part of Carnegie Mellon University’s Initiative for Digital Entertainment Analytics (IDEA), which received a generous donation from the MPAA.

https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-block-doesnt-boost-sales...

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by 221qqwe »

wruza wrote: post #203
wvenable wrote: post #187

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I see no moral issue with government regulation to make our lives better. People would still buy cars if seatbelts weren't a standard feature. They'd still by deodorant if it put holes in the ozone. Vote with their money only works if companies make a product you can buy. Where's the iPhone "unlocked edition" that costs $20 more that I can buy? They don't make it.

$appliancevendorname also doesn’t make +$20 programmable washers. Arguments like this only appear when there’s an urge for an argument. Just buy an unlocked android phone, they exist with similar or better hw for $500 less.

Technically there is no Android phone which has a better CPU/GPU than the latest iPhones. Not that it matters too much nowadays...
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