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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Hasn't Apple always said the reason they don't allow sideloading was that it'd be impossible without compromising security? So are they claiming their European iDevices won't be secure anymore, or are they admitting they were lying before and that the real reason was nothing but greed?

Security isn't binary. European iDevices will likely have more malware installed on them on average than US iDevices.

I thought iPhone apps were sandboxed, making malware impossible?

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I used to think the same way, but not anymore. The amount and variety of attacks on the devices have increased too much in the last years. The device could be encrypted, money could be stolen, some malware could sit silently and do surveillance for who knows. I always wanted to install software on my iPhone without the manufacturing company deciding what I can and can not have (according to californian standards!), b…

So take five minutes to set up the parental controls on your children's devices. The idea that we should eliminate the ability to run arbitrary software "for the children" is completely ridiculous.

Then don’t buy an iPhone. I think it’s ridiculous that we are asking the government to save us from our own choices.

As much as you and I don’t like it, what Apple is doing is perfectly legal. And as much as you or I might support a change in the law, you’re not going to get my support if the legislation is truly universal and not just a narrow-band targeting of a single company for developing an ecosystem which resonated with a large number of people. Write some legislation which applies to ALL platforms which run software and maybe I’ll take it seriously.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Even if this is small progress the headlines and framing of the story are still doublespeak. Installing applications on your computer is the normal state of things. Walled gardens and not having control of your computer is the new weird thing. The word "sideloading" is a feudal concept and it's unquestioned use is dangerous for society. Properly stated this story title is, "Installing applications on iOS 17 might be…

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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>Installing applications on your computer is the normal state of things. It really wasn't. It wasn't normal to install arbitrary applications on the computers in your fridge, dishwasher, game consoles, flip phones, washing machines, etc. Platforms have varied over time in how open they are to having other people developing for them. iOS is an example of a more closed platform and has shown that closed platforms can b…

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Which ARM computers where you installing arbitrary applications on?

What flip phones? They were all locked down on the carrier side.

You're still not installing arbitrary applications on game consoles even now that they're running x86.

Stop speaking like that please.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I bet you a tenner Facebook immediately moves out of EU App Store and will be sideload only, with all privacy related permissions required for the app to run.

They did not done this on Android.

But you know what is reality and not FUD? App Stores pushing legal apps out, at least people in EU could have an option when this will continue to happen.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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That I can just take the SIM out and put it in a different phone? what's the migration process for eSIMs?

You need the carrier to offer eSIM, of course, but then you can just store a bunch of eSIMs on your iPhone and switch which one is active in the Settings app.

I think the GP question was how to migrate your eSIM to another phone.

You can transfer the sim but it needs to be activated on the other phone. I have even seen reactivation charges of €5.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Actually, in a way, it is. All Microsoft has to do is revoke your application's signing certificate and Windows Defender will prevent it from running on Windows computers. Apple does the same thing with Notarization and Gatekeeper on macOS. If they choose to revoke your signing certificate, Gatekeeper will prevent your software from running on macOS. That means if you do, say or compete with something that Microsoft…

You can just turn off defender. And being specifically put in the malware list isn't the same and if clearly false could be used in court.

The real issue is with software distribution.

You, personally, can turn off Windows Defender, but your users probably have no idea why the app they're trying to run doesn't work when they double click it. They're also probably shown multiple scary warnings that discourage them from using the app and trick them into thinking it's broken or malicious.

It's a hurdle just to convince users such an app isn't malware, and then it's an entirely other hurdle to help them actually run the software by bypassing Defender.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Security isn't binary. European iDevices will likely have more malware installed on them on average than US iDevices.

I thought iPhone apps were sandboxed, making malware impossible?

That limits what they can do, but it doesn't mean they can't do anything malicious. Someone could make a YouTube app which removes ads, but steals your session so that they can viewbot or spam comment sections with legit accounts.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I wonder if they considered an "iPhone Europe Edition" - USB-C, side loading, physical SIM cards. Sounds like a good phone!

What’s good about physical SIMs? I do like apple for daring to improve the status quo there, so I want my European Edition with only e-simsz

Some people value privacy and can buy phisical sims from stores without id's and it's perfectly legal
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