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> vegan meat products saw a 21 percent increase in unit sales from 2020 to 2022 > During the same period, animal-based meat and milk sales dropped by eight and nine percent, respectively There are likely additional factors at play in the animal based drop UK ONS shows whole milk at low of 43p/l in 2020 increasing to 70p/l in Mar 23 and minced beef from 609p/kg to 812p/kg in 23 -- but those numbers likely do not refle…
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The fact you’re getting downvoted so much also illustrates how much our species is willing to hide our head in the sand and buy the milk lobbies’ lies.
I just really like cheese and yogurt and milk and other cow milk products.
I love cheese too. I was eating some almost every day growing up in cheese country. But I gave it up once I learned the cost of making it in term of animal abuse and pollution.
We mostly gave up raping and pillaging so maybe one day we’ll also vastly reduce the abuse we inflict onto the billions of animals we “raise”…
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Milk was heavily subsidized and the prices were pushed to a point where all but the largest scale producers were making losses (~30 cents per liter) where I live whereas the price of plant based milk used to have a huge novely / vegan markup that wasn't based in production cost. The cost of plant based milk is not exactly much less than dairy now, but it is actually cheaper if you go by discount brand prices. That so…
> Milk was heavily subsidized (...) The whole agricultural industry in Europe is heavily subsidized through Europe's common agriculture policy. It's a strategic and national interest policy so that Europe's access to food is not jeopardized in case of war. It's ok that these subsidies exist, and they surely won't go away any time soon.
Animals in Germany are living through an extreme hell because of several financial incentives which make it so profitable for the one's willing to ignore the animals.
And the farmers that have even a tiny bit of a conscience are getting in severe financial trouble as they just can't compete on price. Especially as that kind of animal cruelty they're forced into comes with it's own psychological issues.
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I just really like cheese and yogurt and milk and other cow milk products.
It doesn’t change the suffering and abuse involved in making it. Downvoting parent won’t make that go away even if you don’t like hearing it. I love cheese too. I was eating some almost every day growing up in cheese country. But I gave it up once I learned the cost of making it in term of animal abuse and pollution. We mostly gave up raping and pillaging so maybe one day we’ll also vastly reduce the abuse we inflict…
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You have a faulty premise. Most meat and dairy is healthy, if consumed in reasonable quantities. The exception is chargrilled red meat, which is correlated with colon cancer. There is evidence that vegan diets are dangerous for children. This study ( https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/113/6/1565/6178918?log... ), for example, found that vegan children were shorter and had lower bone density. Typical vegan diets la…
You have a faulty conclusion, I didn't say most meat and diary is unhealthy. But there is plenty of evidence that a nutrition significantly more vegan than today's western standard is better: healthier, cheaper, and ecologically superior.
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Somebody not eating animal products for ethical reasons will not buy anything from Nestle given a choice, for very same reasons. And yes, we who avoid Nestle pay more for alternatives, but if you know their business practices there's no moral choice.
I'm not a vegetarian, but I eat little meat and replace the rest with meat alternatives. And I buy Nestle products, as do pretty much all people I know who are also trying to reduce their meat consumption. Meat alternatives are entering the mainstream and not everybody who cares about animal welfare is also an activist.
I meant if your ethical values push you to go through the trouble of cutting out animal products completely, possibly at great cost to you, then I fail to see how the modicum of effort required to avoid buying Nestle products is anything but a rounding error.
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Well, for one, it requires remembering every brand present on this infographic: https://wyomingllcattorney.com/static/img/nestle-list.png
I am fairly sure that there is a nestle logo on the packaging of these brands as well
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> As much as I would like to avoid the kinds of Nestle, it's just impossible in practice for many of us. how so?
Wife, kids, full time job, hobbies.. simply no time or energy to start looking at each item and finding alternatives when finally buying groceries.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
You missed the conclusion step
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No it's not
Not OP. Then what "value" did you even bring to this conversation then, other than to say this person has bias? Because the natural interpretation of your comment is "oh, good facts, but see he has this bias because of this word, therefore the facts must be wrong or misleading or cherry picked". That interpretation sure sounds like an ad-hominem. If there is bias, state your counter points to prove that point.