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The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by vlovich123 »

Re “If you have nothing to hide” arguments. Pointing out abuses is one thing.

I say we go the other way. All travel by government employees/officials is available to the public (can be historical to avoid security issues). Complete financial transparency by all government officials/senior staff and their family members enforced at the bank level - you must list all your accounts, a cumulative amount of assets, list of specific assets >10k in value. The financial institution is responsible for providing that directly to the IRS which then removed account numbers, institution names, round values to the nearest N to avoid identity theft, etc.

The entire political apparatus in the US seems to shy away from any real transparency yet want to foist it on everyone else not in power. That’s not really living your values.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

Dalewyn wrote: post #220
dang wrote: post #142

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Please make your substantive points without calling names. No one is saying you owe your least favorite senators better, but you owe the community better if you're posting here. I can't link to the guidelines because I'm on my phone - but this is in there!

It's one thing to demand not calling ordinary people names, but Feinstein isn't an ordinary person. If one can't call a person in power names, that implies many things you probably didn't want to imply.

Sure you can namecall, but it's childish and ugly. Please don't do it around anyone you want to continue to have a reasonable conversation with.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by waboremo »

sschueller wrote: post #217
maerF0x0 wrote: post #7

A reminder that "you have nothing to hide" argument is a fallacy because people abuse their power: Some first hits as reminders of places where their powers are abused [1]: "NSA staff used spy tools on spouses, ex-lovers: watchdog" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-surveillance-watchdog... [2]: https://reason.com/2022/07/26/police-can-access-your-ring-ca... [3]: https://reason.com/2021/04/26/warrantless-border-s…

Was there a black mirror episode regarding that phrase? If not I think they missed an opportunity to show people that everyone has something to hide.

Kind of (if you mean the Shut Up and Dance one), in classic black mirror fashion the episode is littered with twists that make it difficult for people to really grasp the point and instead can argue against it. In the episode the main character gets infected with malware (the tool he wanted is actually a sting operation), but because of what he's being blackmailed about a lot of people feel that's justified.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by GalenErso »

motohagiography wrote: post #227
GalenErso wrote: post #215

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No, you're just part of the third of people that one third can depend on to do nothing while they try to destroy the reamining third. Discouraging others is just a bonus.

I'll admit I would rather this bill doesn't pass but don't care if it does to do anything about it.

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Post by idiotsecant »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #160
ranger_danger wrote: post #155

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Another problem that I feel has barely even been touched on in recent time is what even are facts. People see things on the Internet and take it for gospel. You know information people ALWAYS blindly believe 100%? "Leaked" data. Imagine how much power one could have with manipulated , leaked, data.

This is what I said about WikiLeaks even at the time. Sprinkle in some untruths with truths and you've got something convincing.

You don't even need to say anything that isn't true. Just being selective about which true secrets you reveal can be a very powerful tool to control the narrative.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by gherkinnn »

Dalewyn wrote: post #214
lagniappe wrote: post #12

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As each generation is born not caring about privacy and posting everything for likes, I fear more are being coached to not have privacy as a priority.

Strong men make good times. Good times make weak men. Weak men make bad times. Bad times make strong men.

Rubbish. Why can't this idiotic meme die already?

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by idiotsecant »

LocalH wrote: post #8

I'm tired of these cutesy backronyms that they try to come up with to influence the public's perception of a law. "EARN IT"? What the fuck? It should be outright illegal to pass laws whose acronyms spell words. But, of course, that'll never happen, because who would willingly give up such a juicy tool for gaming the system?

OK, monkey paw wish granted.

Laws may now only be passed and officially discussed using their globally unique identifier like SB-47226

When politicians advocate for or against these laws in the public sphere they will still make up catchy names to make them stick in peoples heads.

Now you still get misleading names but its twice as hard to understand what bill is what.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by pjmorris »

motohagiography wrote: post #227
GalenErso wrote: post #215

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No, you're just part of the third of people that one third can depend on to do nothing while they try to destroy the reamining third. Discouraging others is just a bonus.

"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral." - Paulo Freire

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by salemh »

trackflak wrote: post #17
rahidz wrote: post #6

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Our privacy. Which billionaire travels to which island while abusing which child, financed by what money, will remain happily hidden away.

There is a Bible verse that says every deed done in darkness shall be named in the light. At times like these, I wish the deity who inspired it was a little more proactive.

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Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by hellojesus »

dllthomas wrote: post #147
morkalork wrote: post #117

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Presumably they vote for her because she is a democrat and the other viable candidate, a republican, is completely unpalatable to them. The problem is internal party politics that appear to have an unwritten rule of re-running the same candidate until they lose.

California has had a jungle primary for a bit now, and there has been at least one general election that pitted Feinstein against a Democrat in the general election. As I mentioned elsewhere, the most common argument I got from Democrats around me for voting for her was seniority, for committee appointments and such.

Seems odd to knowingly choose a candidate that will work to make the lives of Americans worse solely to keep seniority. In fact, doing so seems like you would be empowering a terrible person beyond a normal terrible person, thus ensuring the lives of Americans are that much worse.

Bonkers.

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