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Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by ryandrake »

Kerrick wrote: post #62
notRobot wrote: post #3

I'm so tired. I wish we didn't have to keep going through constant attacks on our privacy. I know they're hoping that people will give up after a point out of weariness, and I'm afraid when it comes to many people they're right.

Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

Eternal is the key word, too. That's the problem with doing this in law: It will just get introduced over and over perpetually until finally it slips through, and then it's pretty much with us forever. The bad guys only have to win once. The good guys have to win every time.

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Post by wintogreen74 »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #7

A reminder that "you have nothing to hide" argument is a fallacy because people abuse their power: Some first hits as reminders of places where their powers are abused [1]: "NSA staff used spy tools on spouses, ex-lovers: watchdog" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-surveillance-watchdog... [2]: https://reason.com/2022/07/26/police-can-access-your-ring-ca... [3]: https://reason.com/2021/04/26/warrantless-border-s…

Even framing it as "nothing to hide" implies that hiding is the exception. Shouldn't it be the default?

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Post by Alupis »

borski wrote: post #199
Alupis wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you took a poll, how many people do you think would even know CA had a state senate and separate federal senators? I would surmise very few. Sadly, agreed. Perhaps this is a component in the ever-growing push of state issues into the federal level. > ...CA has many issues it needs to address. So does literally every state... instead realize that most Californians like it here... Well, this is saying nothing at a…

I used to live in MA. People complained about it all the time. Same goes for when I lived in NYC. I do not get the sense that the political climate in CA is any different than those were when I lived there, excepting perhaps San Francisco which is, incidentally, the same discourse as is happening about NYC in NYC right now too (lots of friends and my family still lives there). I’m not trying to qualify my love for CA…

> I used to live in MA. People complained about it all the time. Same goes for when I lived in NYC.

The difference is you don't often hear complaints about MA unless you also live in MA. At this point, pretty much the entire country is sick of hearing Californian's complain...

I think the issues in NYC are similar to that of California's mega-cities (LA, SF), which is why we hear more about them.

These cities went from lawlessness and chaos, to law-and-order cities a few decades ago. Things got great, and then collectively people forgot what it used to be like... and fell into the same trappings. Today, these three mega-cities are facing lawlessness and chaos again - and I predict a law-and-order decade is coming soon.

Anecdotally (which isn't worth much I know), and having lived in CA my entire life, I have noticed an increase of complaints from fellow CA citizens. People are tired of the fires, power outages, water shortages, homelessness, etc. All are related to policy decisions made sometimes decades ago, and we're just now paying for it.

I think if you truly love where you live, recognizing these issues is a necessity. Pretending issues are the same everywhere and are something that "just happens" or are caused by external forces is akin to keeping our collective heads in the sand. Decisions have consequences - so we better make good ones.

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Post by Dalewyn »

lagniappe wrote: post #12
notRobot wrote: post #3

I'm so tired. I wish we didn't have to keep going through constant attacks on our privacy. I know they're hoping that people will give up after a point out of weariness, and I'm afraid when it comes to many people they're right.

As each generation is born not caring about privacy and posting everything for likes, I fear more are being coached to not have privacy as a priority.

Strong men make good times.

Good times make weak men.

Weak men make bad times.

Bad times make strong men.

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Post by GalenErso »

lysozyme wrote: post #182

I’m reminded by a speech by Frederick Douglass [1] that >This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these w…

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Post by somenameforme »

anigbrowl wrote: post #33
LocalH wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Or the "USA PATRIOT" Act, as it's full name spells. "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism". But by calling it "patriot", it implies that you're not a patriot if you don't support it. Never mind that modern American "patriotism" isn't anything of the sort, but is much closer to nationalism.

It's blatant propaganda, but Americans continue to lie to themselves that they live in the freest country in the world.

I think the overwhelming majority of people are realizing a lot of the rhetoric is just cynical lies at this point.

Consider the recent report [1] that only 25% of people don't think the media is deliberately misleading them - 50% think they are, 25% are undecided. The implications of that cannot be overstated, especially as the media has increasingly become little more than a proxy for the official position of the day.

[1] - https://fortune.com/2023/02/15/trust-in-media-low-misinform-...

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Post by sschueller »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #7

A reminder that "you have nothing to hide" argument is a fallacy because people abuse their power: Some first hits as reminders of places where their powers are abused [1]: "NSA staff used spy tools on spouses, ex-lovers: watchdog" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-surveillance-watchdog... [2]: https://reason.com/2022/07/26/police-can-access-your-ring-ca... [3]: https://reason.com/2021/04/26/warrantless-border-s…

Was there a black mirror episode regarding that phrase? If not I think they missed an opportunity to show people that everyone has something to hide.

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Post by SoftTalker »

JohnFen wrote: post #114
pksebben wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like we just have to hold out for another couple of decades - until there aren't any boomers left in government. This whole clusterfuck is a result of old people not knowing their ass from a pihole.

If history is any guide, the people who will replace the boomers will not be any different. The root cause is not related to age or generation, it's related to power.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

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Post by abracadaniel »

HeckFeck wrote: post #11
notRobot wrote: post #3

I'm so tired. I wish we didn't have to keep going through constant attacks on our privacy. I know they're hoping that people will give up after a point out of weariness, and I'm afraid when it comes to many people they're right.

Remember when major websites used to blackout over TTIP and SOPA? Those were good days. Now many of the same websites (eg Reddit) are owned by large entities who don't care. Probably because they've made their money, so who needs a free Internet?

The walled gardens are so well established now, their business plans no longer rely on a free Internet. We were lucky at the time that our interests aligned, but it was worrying that we were only able to fight those with the help of our favorite corporations. Now we get to see how that plays out with that support.

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Post by Dalewyn »

dang wrote: post #142
JPKab wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I met her in 2003, along with her aides at a party I was invited to (in a fluke) in Palm Springs. She was a moron then, and now she's a senile moron. Her aides, who ended up hanging out with me all weekend, were a perfect illustration of the donor class kids who weren't that smart but got into ivy League schools by legacy admissions. Zero intellectual curiosity, super aware of social status, everything they said seem…

Please make your substantive points without calling names. No one is saying you owe your least favorite senators better, but you owe the community better if you're posting here. I can't link to the guidelines because I'm on my phone - but this is in there!

It's one thing to demand not calling ordinary people names, but Feinstein isn't an ordinary person.

If one can't call a person in power names, that implies many things you probably didn't want to imply.

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