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Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by rnk » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 5:52 PM UTC

borski wrote: post #61

dehrmann wrote: post #23

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> FEINSTEIN Many years ago, I remember she supported a similar bill around limiting encryption. Around six months later, it was reported some government agency was spying on senators' emails, and she wasn't happy. I don't think she made the connection between the two, or that she supports widespread data collection when it's not her data.

I met her at an SVLG dinner and had a discussion about encryption; it became instantly clear she doesn’t know what a computer is past that it is a TV that takes input, and that encryption is just “evil people wanting to do evil things.” There was no reasoning with her either, frankly because she is well-aged, and thus thinks herself “wise” with very little left to learn. It was honestly infuriating. [edit] In case an…

This is why we need more tech people to get into politics. And I'm not thinking billionaire ceos. I'm talking about devs, qa, pm, people that did actual work.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by betaby » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

pksebben wrote: post #92

notRobot wrote: post #3

I'm so tired. I wish we didn't have to keep going through constant attacks on our privacy. I know they're hoping that people will give up after a point out of weariness, and I'm afraid when it comes to many people they're right.

I feel like we just have to hold out for another couple of decades - until there aren't any boomers left in government. This whole clusterfuck is a result of old people not knowing their ass from a pihole.

I EU and Canada such laws are pushed by relatively yang folks as well, like ones in their 40s.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by d23 » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

x86x87 wrote: post #90

SimianSci wrote: post #74

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It's important to point out that many of these senators are also members of the Intelligence committee and are receiving regular reports from intelligence agencies as part of their senatorial duties. It is logical to think that these agencies are using these briefings to lobby senators for changes that directly impact their performance. It's highly unlikely this comes from a place of malice, but rather is a second or…

Hahahahaha Of course. Of course Cruz and Hawley are actually angels that are a victim of circumstances. Collins? Fucking immaculate. I don't know how many times we have to "fight back" when they come uo with this BS. They should just cut it out and serve the people that elected them. PS: Mandatory "Think about the children!"

Unfortunately I see one senator on here I previously thought highly of (and yeah, not Cruz or Hawley).

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by pdonis » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #91

borski wrote: post #61

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I met her at an SVLG dinner and had a discussion about encryption; it became instantly clear she doesn’t know what a computer is past that it is a TV that takes input, and that encryption is just “evil people wanting to do evil things.” There was no reasoning with her either, frankly because she is well-aged, and thus thinks herself “wise” with very little left to learn. It was honestly infuriating. [edit] In case an…

Even among the dinosaurs in the US Senate, Feinstein stands alone in her striking ability to be willfully ignorant about anything developed after the steam locomotive. The country would be an objectively better place if both the House and Senate had a mandatory retirement age.

You don't need a mandatory retirement age, just term limits. For example, no more than two terms as a Senator, no more than three as a House member.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by thrthrthr88 » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 5:54 PM UTC

vegetablepotpie wrote: post #16

4th amendment text: > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Let’s name names, the senators who introduced this are Mr. GRAHAM…

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Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by stronglikedan » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 5:54 PM UTC

jcutrell wrote: post #71

maerF0x0 wrote: post #7

A reminder that "you have nothing to hide" argument is a fallacy because people abuse their power: Some first hits as reminders of places where their powers are abused [1]: "NSA staff used spy tools on spouses, ex-lovers: watchdog" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-surveillance-watchdog... [2]: https://reason.com/2022/07/26/police-can-access-your-ring-ca... [3]: https://reason.com/2021/04/26/warrantless-border-s…

For people who say they have nothing to hide, I ask them why they have locks on their doors, passwords to their email, and clothes on their body.

Easy: Thieves, scammers, and public decency laws, in that order.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by gavinhoward » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 5:54 PM UTC

Here is a link to send to politicians: https://everyoneneedsencryption.gavinhoward.com/ .

Feedback welcome. I want it as short and as punchy as possible.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by menus » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 5:56 PM UTC

hammyhavoc wrote: post #84

duxup wrote: post #24

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I donate to the EFF, is that enough, I don’t know but I feel like I’m doing something.

Well, what quantifiable benefit is the public gaining from the EFF? Do you know where your money goes? Does what they publish reach anybody new? Or is it just preaching to the choir?

Can't give up like this.

If there is anything I have learned is that persistence will eventually pay off. Louis Rossmann [1] has been fighting the good fight for right to repair for so many years and while it isn't quite there yet and there have been lots of downs, there have also been lots of ups [2]. Nothing's infallible.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/@rossmanngroup [2] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/11/apple-announces-self-...

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by Alupis » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 5:56 PM UTC

borski wrote: post #70

anigbrowl wrote: post #51

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Because she's not a Republican, and competitive primaries for long-time incumbents are often political suicide for the challenger. Voters have a poor set of choices and select the least bad.

I honestly think it’s mostly that voters simply don’t know. She’s a democrat, but runs against democrats (usually), and wins largely because she’s been there forever and, tbh, California is a pretty spectacular place to live. Thus, as CA is pretty great in general, Feinstein “can’t be that bad,” so why mess up a fine thing. (Keep your “CA sucks” comments out of here please; your perception doesn’t matter in this case…

> Thus, as CA is pretty great in general, Feinstein “can’t be that bad,” so why mess up a fine thing.

A senator represents the state's views within the federal government, and has next to nothing to do with internal policies within the state.

Electing Feinstein or some other person has effectively little-to-no impact on a California citizens daily life.

> (Keep your “CA sucks” comments out of here please; your perception doesn’t matter in this case. Most Californians like living in California, by and large. It’s not perfect by any stretch, but neither is any state.)

People are allowed to gripe about where they live. Just because you live somewhere doesn't make it perfect by any stretch. California has a lot of problems, and needs to address them, regardless of your political persuasion.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by rnk » Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 5:57 PM UTC

Alupis wrote: post #101

pc86 wrote: post #91

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Even among the dinosaurs in the US Senate, Feinstein stands alone in her striking ability to be willfully ignorant about anything developed after the steam locomotive. The country would be an objectively better place if both the House and Senate had a mandatory retirement age.

Why do these people continue to be re-elected at all? Surely there's some other (D) that could have replaced Feinstein a decade ago - but California keeps re-electing her? There's near unanimous agreement she "lost it" long ago - yet here she still is. A mandatory retirement age is great and all... but maybe we need to figure out why people vote for someone nearly nobody wants in the first place. Just the "safe" vote…

There's this idea that someone shouldn't run against an incumbent. It goes against both parties. The boomer generation was a large group, they often see the world in a more common way (that world of the 50s and early 60s?), they still want to see themselves as being in power, even as they are all getting close to age 80 (made a typo here originally, I put 60 instead of 80). They don't want to give up. That's why these elderly politicians stay in power.