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Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by anigbrowl »

tomschlick wrote: post #25
dehrmann wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FEINSTEIN Many years ago, I remember she supported a similar bill around limiting encryption. Around six months later, it was reported some government agency was spying on senators' emails, and she wasn't happy. I don't think she made the connection between the two, or that she supports widespread data collection when it's not her data.

Why do Californians keep re-electing her?

Because she's not a Republican, and competitive primaries for long-time incumbents are often political suicide for the challenger. Voters have a poor set of choices and select the least bad.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by SoylentYellow »

noelsusman wrote: post #32

I find myself consistently disappointed when reading blog posts like this. I generally agree with the principles that the EFF advocates for, but it's hard to see this post as anything other than rage-bait. I can't trust it to be an accurate source of information on what this bill actually does. For example, I've repeatedly seen claims that this bill would effectively outlaw end-to-end encryption, but the bill explici…

Perhaps the unspoken argument is that client-side scanning will be made into a best practice, and websites and apps that don't implement it will be exposed to liability.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by anigbrowl »

monksy wrote: post #43
vegetablepotpie wrote: post #16

4th amendment text: > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Let’s name names, the senators who introduced this are Mr. GRAHAM…

My senator Duckworth is going to respond back with a from letter stating "OMG THE CHILDREN". (Just like she did for the first Earn act concern I sent). Might as well add her name on there too.

And it'll keep being persuasive to her voters until people come up with a meaningful counter-proposal that does a better job of addressing child safety online while also protecting privacy.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by mhb »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #26
dehrmann wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FEINSTEIN Many years ago, I remember she supported a similar bill around limiting encryption. Around six months later, it was reported some government agency was spying on senators' emails, and she wasn't happy. I don't think she made the connection between the two, or that she supports widespread data collection when it's not her data.

> or that she supports widespread data collection when it's not her data I know we shouldn't assume malice when incompetence explains things, but I genuinely do think a lot of people who run governments do actually think they should not be affected by the same rules they want to apply to everyone else.

when incompetence explains things

Listen to her talk sometime.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by KRAKRISMOTT »

vegetablepotpie wrote: post #16

4th amendment text: > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Let’s name names, the senators who introduced this are Mr. GRAHAM…

So much for being a SF senator

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by brobinson »

trackflak wrote: post #17
rahidz wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our privacy. Which billionaire travels to which island while abusing which child, financed by what money, will remain happily hidden away.

There is a Bible verse that says every deed done in darkness shall be named in the light. At times like these, I wish the deity who inspired it was a little more proactive.

"We can't expect God to do all the work."

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by boomboomsubban »

anigbrowl wrote: post #51
tomschlick wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do Californians keep re-electing her?

Because she's not a Republican, and competitive primaries for long-time incumbents are often political suicide for the challenger. Voters have a poor set of choices and select the least bad.

In California's fucked up system she actually runs against a Democrat most of the time. I assume it's name recognition and more money that gets her reelected.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by tastyfreeze »

vegetablepotpie wrote: post #16

4th amendment text: > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Let’s name names, the senators who introduced this are Mr. GRAHAM…

Alaska nearly voted swamp creature Murkowski out in the last midterm.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

dehrmann wrote: post #23
vegetablepotpie wrote: post #16

4th amendment text: > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Let’s name names, the senators who introduced this are Mr. GRAHAM…

> FEINSTEIN Many years ago, I remember she supported a similar bill around limiting encryption. Around six months later, it was reported some government agency was spying on senators' emails, and she wasn't happy. I don't think she made the connection between the two, or that she supports widespread data collection when it's not her data.

This shouldn't be surprising. Even before she was old and "of questionable judgement" she was voting for and sponsoring stuff like this. Go back to the war on drugs era and you can find sound bytes of her advocating for all sorts of absurd stuff. And by "absurd" I don't mean "didn't age well but was the party line". I'm talking about stuff that violates rights in excess of what the average party politician was pushing for.

That said, even if you strike her name from the list you know this is bad because it's a bunch of bipartisan long time congresspeople who are sponsoring this bill. When the careerists of the swamp get together to do something we the people always lose.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #7

A reminder that "you have nothing to hide" argument is a fallacy because people abuse their power: Some first hits as reminders of places where their powers are abused [1]: "NSA staff used spy tools on spouses, ex-lovers: watchdog" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-surveillance-watchdog... [2]: https://reason.com/2022/07/26/police-can-access-your-ring-ca... [3]: https://reason.com/2021/04/26/warrantless-border-s…

People abuse their power, but that wouldn't matter if you really had nothing to hide. But everybody has something to hide.

Your social security number? Your bank account number? Your debit card PIN? Yeah, pretty sure you have something to hide.

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