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The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by zsz »

Disclaimer: I am unaffiliated with the developer/company/product mentioned below.

When I was still on Windows 10, I used Start10. After...overwriting my Windows 10 image with Windows 11 (I needed WSL2 to operate my Seagate NAS/Linux based software RAID5 after Seagate's own firmware declared that all four physical drives had failed simultaneously--they of course hadn't, what an incredible slap in the face), I upgraded to Start11.

Yes, I agree, in principle it's absurd to pay anything at all to replace a window manager component whose functionality seems to diverge from what I personally consider useful with every iteration of the underlying OS. Nor am I under any illusion that all the crap is no longer wasting system resources, merely because I no longer see it.

I suppose sometimes there is a bit of comfort to be derived from appearances alone, and the developer of Start11 cleverly figured out what I consider a very reasonable price point to attach to said comfort.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by Nursie »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #388
Nursie wrote: post #273

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I no longer work there, but back in the early 10s IBM were allowing a lot of management and a few engineers to move to macs. Their thinkpad business had been spun off, the thinkpad exclusivity contract had run out, and IBM were in a "we already give too much money to MS" mood at the time. No idea how far that went. They also had a RHEL workstation-based distro you could put on your thinkpad (with a few tens of thousa…

Now that they own RH entirely, would we see a push to RHEL on the laptop at IBM (or Fedora, maybe)?

Entirely possible they already have gone in that direction, but you'd have to ask someone on the e-client team, or whatever they call it now!

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by varispeed »

pauby wrote: post #460
varispeed wrote: post #254

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Most organisations use Excel and it doesn't work on Linux - at least you can't have a seamless experience for a typical office user. Some companies tried to use free alternatives to Excel, but there were always compatibility issues when customer or partner use Excel. I think if someone had created 1:1 alternative to MS Office (with all its quirks and bugs), then switching to Linux would likely be a no brainer.

That's why there's Office 365. It runs everywhere there is a modern browser. Even Linux.

It's on someone else's computer, so it's a no no for many organisations.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by phendrenad2 »

nstart wrote: post #31

Windows is my daily driver. I actually like the OS but Microsoft would do well to listen to these concerns being raised consistently. They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. This reminds me of the days where Ballmers goal seemed to be to lock everyone into Windows and MS products when the real upside turned out to be “make MS products fully available where people already ar…

> these concerns being raised consistently

They're being raised on HN, sure, but are they widely-held by the average Windows user? Seems to me the answer is no.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by antifa »

BizarroLand wrote: post #447
ashwagary wrote: post #427

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>will say desktop Linux has been the worst experience Im surprised by this take, Ubuntu derivatives have had major improvements in the past decade. What is the worst thing youve run into?

I don't know about them but the last time I used Ubuntu, it was extraordinarily slow and non-responsive on my test system with a 6600k, 32gb ram, and a 1 TB Samsung SSD. Pop-OS also had that issue, but stock Debian did not, and Fedora has been consistently a good performer for me.

Sounds like there just wasn't an open-source or proprietary Linux driver for some rare or new component in your system.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by antifa »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #362
nstart wrote: post #316

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I dont know how to explain it. I’ve used all major OS’s including a couple of flavors of Linux. I just love windows. 11 is pretty awesome for me where I use it on my surface pro 8 and it’s just really nice especially with touch. Touch is definitely a huge part of my workflow too to the point that when I sit at my desktop I sometimes try to touch the screen. There are so many tiny quality of life things like being abl…

I would quibble about the fact that the screenshot functionality was stolen from macOS, but the thing that really kills me is your comment about File Explorer. My impression, after decades of Windows and now a decade of macOS, is that you just don't have to spend as much time with Finder in macOS as you do with Explorer on Windows. There's something about working on a Mac that simply alleviates a lot of the work of f…

Finder is the only think I don't like on OSX. I just wish I could natively install something like Caja and be done with it. I'm a bit new to OSX but I have no idea how anyone could prefer Finder.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by pahbloo »

qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #247
flohofwoe wrote: post #231

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> They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. I bet they did exactly that and the answer was: we're going to milk our users as long as Windows is still relevant. Windows doesn't seem to have much of a priority anymore at MS now that Azure is the new darling.

I bet that there is already some Linux version reverse-developed inside Microsoft with a windows copy on top and a working compatability layer below.

It would be incredibly ironic if Linux were to win the desktop, and Microsoft were to become the biggest vendor.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by regularfry »

trelane wrote: post #455
regularfry wrote: post #442

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Compatibility is 90% of the problem, though. While it might be tempting to think that most people might not need Excel, the important thing to realise is that they think they do , the people who are sending them spreadsheets to look at think they do , and your beliefs aren't going to change that .

Yep. But the first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging

Step zero is to realise you're in a hole in the first place.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by timbit42 »

minimaul wrote: post #364
hooby wrote: post #233

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> There's been a long observed tradition that every other version of Windows is trash. 3.1, 98, XP, 7, 10 were good^, 95, ME, Vista, 8 and now 11 are trash. What about Windows 2000?

Windows 2000 wasn't a consumer version of Windows, so gets left out. edit: pity, because I think all-in-all it's one of the best versions of Windows I ever used. Very fast, no junk to get in the way, tremendously clear UI, very compatible with games (even weird ones developed for Win9x), etc. I used it over Windows XP for as long as I could!

Windows NT 4 was also better than 95 and 98. It ran everything but was NT based like 2000 and XP so very stable.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by timbit42 »

NexRebular wrote: post #294
COMMENT___ wrote: post #228

> I use Windows to play games, but it truly feels like a trash party most of the time. Use Linux + Proton. It’s fascinating how Linux became a decent replacement for Windows for video games. (Thanks, Valve!)

What if I don't want to use linux? Not many choices available beside consoles.

Then use Windows.
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