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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by gspencley »

KyeRussell wrote: post #157
gspencley wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of Android is licensed under the Apache 2.0 license. So while the word "owns" is true in a technical legal sense, there is nothing to prevent anyone from forking it and doing their own thing. Unlike with GPL code, they don't even need to license their changes under the same license as long as they abide the terms with respects to the original. Personally I use GrapheneOS in order to "de-Google" without switching…

This doesn’t change anything about the comment that you’re replying to.

Really?! You mean that my offering additional information and context didn't magically alter the very nature of time itself, thus causing the characters that they typed to change representation in Hacker News' database? You don't say! (do I need a /s indicator?)

And what value, exactly, does your comment add to the conversation?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

KyeRussell wrote: post #157
gspencley wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of Android is licensed under the Apache 2.0 license. So while the word "owns" is true in a technical legal sense, there is nothing to prevent anyone from forking it and doing their own thing. Unlike with GPL code, they don't even need to license their changes under the same license as long as they abide the terms with respects to the original. Personally I use GrapheneOS in order to "de-Google" without switching…

This doesn’t change anything about the comment that you’re replying to.

It seems like it does.

> paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search

> google still owns android

> Personally I use GrapheneOS in order to "de-Google"

It doesn't matter that Google owns Android if Samsung can make their own fork of Android that doesn't use Google stuff by default. Is there something that would prevent Samsung from creating their own app store?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by jack_riminton »

daydream wrote: post #161
traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

> How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? It’s like the curse of oil. Google found a revenue stream early on that was so massive it covered up all their other sins. They dealt with their problems belatedly at best. Now that revenue stream is under attack and they are scrambling. To put it politely.

Continuing with the oil analogy, I wonder if they'd have done better if they did something similar to what Norway did with their oil wealth (i.e. only spend a small percentage on the interest earned from oil). Perhaps they could've spent less on all of their moonshots and focussed solely on AI. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by scarface74 »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #84
gaogao wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you see ChromeOS and Google Office as falling flat in that regard? Desktops are pretty smaller in market size compared to laptops these days.

Google docs/etc are totally eating into Microsoft Office's market share. I can't remember the last company I was at where they expected us to use Microsoft office products. But we used Google docs,sheets,etc constantly.

It’s really not that hard to find data on GSuite vs Office market share that isn’t anecdotal

https://www.saasgenius.com/blog/why-office-365-is-overtaking...

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by chankstein38 »

Maybe an unpopular opinion but it feels like Google is near useless anymore. Between results containing outdated or broken links to empty discussions, and ads being their main priority as well as "fuzzy search results" where you can search for one thing and get something completely unrelated because Google decided you also meant to search for something else that is possibly contextually adjacent, I can't really get good results from it anymore.

I mean, I can still get answers for simple questions but when it comes to anything unique or complex I usually just get frustrated and go to duckduckgo or something else. ChatGPT now adays mostly.

Sure ChatGPT can hallucinate but Google's results rely on some random person somewhere to have properly answered something. The reality of that is so many of the "answers" I find are discussions on forums between a bunch of random people who have no real credentials or factual answers but instead just opinions based on something else they read on Google. People google something, read the google blurb about it at the top of the results, then go answer other people's questions.

I honestly think Google is losing favor at this point. I've even been considering moving away from Android because the OS just feels like the Walmart iOS now adays. It features the same problems but in a way that nothing is polished versus iOS.

Google needs to stop just following everyone else. Everything now adays feels like the ol Google+ move. "Ah, successful product someone else made, let's remake it and name it google something!"

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by eastbound »

PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #39
simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

> just buy Canonical or something Canonical doesn't really make any things that are considered part of a desktop OS. Ubuntu is just a package (and some argue a bad one) of things made by other people. There's very little value in the Linux desktop and I don't see that changing anytime soon. You're probably best re-inventing the wheel if you want a Windows competitor, like Google did with ChromeOS.

> There's very little value in the Linux desktop and I don't see that changing anytime soon

Only because no-one has disrupted the market. Typical case of “Who would pay for a Mantis open-source bugtracker”, then Jira appear and companies purchase it.

What you mean is, who would pay for Ubuntu. But I’d pay for an open-source macOS, with online backups, video editing and SSO for my IT fleet, anything that doesn’t look like Ubuntu.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by HDThoreaun »

dathinab wrote: post #107

Soon we have a Microsoft more power full then ever but less controlled and constrained by anti monopoly regulation then ever. - after google search degraded for a while bing is competive - MS has much influence and stack in (not really open) OpenAI - MS has with LinkedLn a relevant social network, sure it's work focused but increasingly used for non work usecases - MS controls 2 of the 6 relevant gaming platforms (XB…

Microsoft's effort to corner the developer productivity software market has surprised me with how successful it's been. Github has solid vscode integration, WSL works well enough, copilot is seeing use. They've really solidified themselves as the enterprise productivity software company for all stacks other than creative which adobe still dominates. Wonder if they plan to expand there next?

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Post by ajmurmann »

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #137
dheera wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a stripped down OS running only a web browser and a bunch of webapps, not a real OS. Another one of those Google fantasies that failed to understand normal people.

What do you think Joe Sixpack runs on his computer these days? There are tons of people out there who do nothing but browse websites and use the "apps" as provided on those sites. They have no use for native Windows apps nor all the extra baggage that comes with it.

I wonder if it's more the fear of needing a desktop app one day again that you haven't started in years than the actual need for desktop apps.

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Post by musictubes »

egeozcan wrote: post #45
tapoxi wrote: post #3

What's Sundar's goal for Google? They seem to be aimless since he took the helm.

If gods of chaos decide give a future where google completely gets broken up a chance, I'd be massively pissed if someone doesn't detach google reader and bring it online just to make a point .

There are plenty of good RSS services now. In fact I’d argue there is more choice and higher quality now than when Reader was around. I use Newsblur as my aggregator and either net news wire on my Mac and Unread on my iPhone and ipad. I’m glad Google got out of the RSS business.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by no_wizard »

phpisthebest wrote: post #120
gaogao wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you see ChromeOS and Google Office as falling flat in that regard? Desktops are pretty smaller in market size compared to laptops these days.

For a business environment, Google Office is terrible compared to MS Office. The features and functionally of Google office are very limited, especially when you compare Sheets to Excel

This is the only part they aren't on caliber in most cases. I rarely hear Slides or Docs isn't as good as PowerPoint or Word (even though, at least on paper, Word and Powerpoint have more features).

It seems that the sticky moat is Excel (and to a lesser extent but gaining somewhat rapidly, the Teams integration into 365. Google has blown it on being the enterprise chat solution).

Seems Google could chase this to close this, but Microsoft Excel is just absolutely sticky

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