Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine • Hacker News Board

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by unloco » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 1:39 PM UTC

pelagicAustral wrote: post #11

I've been using Bing for a few weeks now it is not all the way there yet but so far the experience is more gratifying than Google. The results seem to be better and there is less ads on top the search results. Their AI integration is also well accomplished. No complains there...

except you cant use the AI function without using Edge.. That's a huge complaint from me.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by balls187 » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 1:39 PM UTC

ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

I’d bet Microsoft will gladly match all of Google’s offers here.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by pjmlp » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 1:39 PM UTC

PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #39

simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

> just buy Canonical or something Canonical doesn't really make any things that are considered part of a desktop OS. Ubuntu is just a package (and some argue a bad one) of things made by other people. There's very little value in the Linux desktop and I don't see that changing anytime soon. You're probably best re-inventing the wheel if you want a Windows competitor, like Google did with ChromeOS.

They surely do, its reason to fame is being the best distribution supporting OEM devices without religion regarding open source drivers.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by that_guy_iain » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 1:40 PM UTC

gaogao wrote: post #50

simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

Where do you see ChromeOS and Google Office as falling flat in that regard? Desktops are pretty smaller in market size compared to laptops these days.

Google docs/etc are totally eating into Microsoft Office's market share. I can't remember the last company I was at where they expected us to use Microsoft office products. But we used Google docs,sheets,etc constantly.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by balls187 » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 1:40 PM UTC

seydor wrote: post #42

ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

google still owns android

It does, and funny enough that Antitrust lawsuit against MSFT bundling IE in Windows may end up helping them here.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by ant6n » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 1:41 PM UTC

Arnt wrote: post #70

lightbendover wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last thing anyone should ever want from a search engine is different results from the next person over.

The next person over cares about sports and boobies. By which I mean spectator sports and, uhm, spectator boobies. Is the last thing I'd want really results different from my neighbour?

For the same query?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by starkd » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 1:41 PM UTC

mattw2121 wrote: post #40

lightbendover wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last thing anyone should ever want from a search engine is different results from the next person over.

I strongly disagree. I would love for a search engine to, intelligently, cater the results based on my previous search history and patterns.

I don't think the ability to serve up specialized content is the concern here. It is the fragmentation that results when we no longer have a shared reality or a consistent set of results in the population. Results specific to any one person is terrifying in some of its implications.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by gspencley » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 1:41 PM UTC

seydor wrote: post #42

ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

google still owns android

Most of Android is licensed under the Apache 2.0 license. So while the word "owns" is true in a technical legal sense, there is nothing to prevent anyone from forking it and doing their own thing. Unlike with GPL code, they don't even need to license their changes under the same license as long as they abide the terms with respects to the original.

Personally I use GrapheneOS in order to "de-Google" without switching to the Apple ecosystem. No Google Play (you can install it but I choose not to), FOSS apps only. I don't recommend it for everyone but it made me not hate owning a smart phone for the first time since the "mobile revolution" passed my old grumpy self by.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Zigurd » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 1:41 PM UTC

throwntoday wrote: post #18

m00dy wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He will be fired very soon

Hopefully. I can't think of a single product that has grown because of him so much as in spite of him.

How is that different from everything after Google Search. Alphabet is even structured around the idea of not being able to pick winners. I can discern some long term strategy in Android Automotive and Waymo, but nothing is sacred when it comes to cutting off products that are not growing.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by maleldil » Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 1:41 PM UTC

mattw2121 wrote: post #40

lightbendover wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last thing anyone should ever want from a search engine is different results from the next person over.

I strongly disagree. I would love for a search engine to, intelligently, cater the results based on my previous search history and patterns.

That's how you create bubbles.