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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by colanderman »

garganzol wrote: post #44
simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

> better desktop OS > Google It wouldn't be an OS, it would be a casino full of flashy ads. The worst company for anything business critical. Ads - yes, email - ok, anything else - never. They get away with Android because it's mostly a consumer market.

Windows is already crapped up with flashy ads; it's a pretty damn low bar.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by throwaway2037 »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #84
gaogao wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you see ChromeOS and Google Office as falling flat in that regard? Desktops are pretty smaller in market size compared to laptops these days.

Google docs/etc are totally eating into Microsoft Office's market share. I can't remember the last company I was at where they expected us to use Microsoft office products. But we used Google docs,sheets,etc constantly.

For big corporates, it is still 100% Microsoft Office and 0% Google Workspace. Email is still 100% Microsoft Outlook/Exchange. That said, for small to medium, Google must be eating into MSFT, but I don't have any visibility.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

cosmojg wrote: post #61
Tactician_mark wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd use Bing's chat feature if it wasn't only available on Edge... I can't seem to get any Chromium browsers working well on my Fedora install. I already want to use Microsoft's search engine, why do they need me to use their browser too?

There are addons/extensions for that! Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bing-chat-for... Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bing-chat-for-all-...

Last I checked you can just use a user agent switcher plugin to say you're using bing FYI.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Xelbair »

simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

>google

>making any product that lasts

that's a tough chance for OS.

it wouldn't hit growth targets after n-th year and would be remotely disabled by google worldwide.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by thisisnico »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #84
gaogao wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you see ChromeOS and Google Office as falling flat in that regard? Desktops are pretty smaller in market size compared to laptops these days.

Google docs/etc are totally eating into Microsoft Office's market share. I can't remember the last company I was at where they expected us to use Microsoft office products. But we used Google docs,sheets,etc constantly.

As someone that works at an IT company, not a software company, Almost every customer that started with google is switching to o365. Nearly 99% of our clients are on o365 or are switching from on-prem exchange to o365. I can see maybe the bubble of silicon valley might be more oriented toward google, but the vast majority of businesses continue to migrate to o365.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by DrThunder »

judge2020 wrote: post #99
DrThunder wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By desktop app they don't mean an app that runs on desktop computers only. They mean an app that runs locally and not web-based. Office 365 desktop vs Office 365 web portal. Google doesn't offer anything but web based.

I'm not sure that would have changed anything, though. Their main loss is that ChromeOS isn't marketed as 'business-oriented' but that's probably because you can't market it to businesses when tons of legacy software doesn't run, and accountants still tend to prefer Excel over sheets (in my experience). But when businesses do use GWorkspace products, it's not an issue that it all happens within the browser.

You haven't been in a business environment then. Almost all of the users whine about having to use Google's Web Apps and prefer the desktop version of 365. Microsoft absolutely dominates in the enterprise environment. We have both, just because department will not use the Google Apps. They'll accept Gmail but that's it.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by the_snooze »

simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

>Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce.

Microsoft Office has a lot of network effect surrounding it. Organizations use MS Office because the people who pay them (e.g., government or large corporations) use MS Office. I've tried switching away to LibreOffice or Google Docs/Sheets/Slides, and those are very likely to mangle layout and formatting when saving to DOCX/XLSX/PPTX. Not worth the hassle trying to troubleshoot why my government program managers aren't seeing what I'm seeing on the document I sent them.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Sindisil »

sempron64 wrote: post #25
pelagicAustral wrote: post #11

I've been using Bing for a few weeks now it is not all the way there yet but so far the experience is more gratifying than Google. The results seem to be better and there is less ads on top the search results. Their AI integration is also well accomplished. No complains there...

Anecdotally, their actual search results have sucked for me. For example, I searched for “narrowest cars with 6 or more seats”, and Bing’s results were terrible and irrelevant. The AI version gave me some acceptable results but very few. Google returned pages of relevant results from different years.

When I try that search string on DuckDuckGo, I see what looks to be pretty decent results, FWIW.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by gehwartzen »

unloco wrote: post #63
Zigurd wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Desktop market share moves very slowly. A 1% shift per year is a big move last I looked. ChromeOS is doing about as well as possible gaining share.

ChromeOS is only in the market because they have cheap laptops that schools bought up. And not a single student I know would ever use one outside of school.

Which is kind of depressing. I get public schools have budgetary needs and I suppose Chromebooks are perfectly appropriate for Elementary and (maybe) Middle Schoolers (my kid has one, he's in 2nd grade and its fine) but they should really consider supplying real laptops to the High Schoolers so they learn on hardware and software used in the real world.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by phpisthebest »

gaogao wrote: post #50
simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

Where do you see ChromeOS and Google Office as falling flat in that regard? Desktops are pretty smaller in market size compared to laptops these days.

For a business environment, Google Office is terrible compared to MS Office.

The features and functionally of Google office are very limited, especially when you compare Sheets to Excel

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