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'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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That answer has also been tried and doesn't work. Let me ask this: what problem are you trying to solve?

Inquiry: small class sizes doesn't work? Could you show me sources/papers/studies/etc? It's is unintuitive, so I'd like to be educated on the factors at play here.

I could easily believe the constraint being the tiny number of k-12 teachers who themselves understand math well enough to teach it like this, no matter how small you'd like to make classes.

Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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post #48

> "Families with resources turn to fee-required online algebra 1 courses in eighth grade, outside the public school system, or enroll their kids in private schools," Isn't this obvious result? The Russian School of Mathematics could manage to teach 10-year old kids basic algebra. And there's AOPS, there's Think Academy, and slew of local tutoring schools who can teach kids relatively advanced maths. Let alone many pr…

I think the idea is that if it’s important to rich parents, they will grudgingly fund education for everyone. But as long as they have these outlets where they can just educate their own kids and leave everyone else behind, they will.

The rich will always have those outlets, and nobody is going to take them away from them, because they have the power. Now, with the disappearing middle class, "just call them the rich, and make them pay for it" has been the default for a long time.

Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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That answer has also been tried and doesn't work. Let me ask this: what problem are you trying to solve?

Inquiry: small class sizes doesn't work? Could you show me sources/papers/studies/etc? It's is unintuitive, so I'd like to be educated on the factors at play here.

https://hechingerreport.org/despite-popularity-with-parents-...

Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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It sounds like they tried to set up a large one-size-fits-all program. This might be a good time to bring up Lockhart's Lament , which imagines what artistic education would look like if we treated it like math. https://archive.org/details/AMathematiciansLament Nobody with decision-making power in a school district likes the answer which this paper proposes: very small class sizes.

I would expect small class sizes to be considerably more expensive.

How much do school districts in California spend (as a percentage of total budget) on staffers who do not teach children directly?

If it is (for the sake of argument) a quarter of the budget, then I ask would 33% more funding be able to shrink class sizes to a degree that would meet your approval?

If instead it were half the budget, would a 100% increase in funding not be able to shrink the class sizes enough?

Does anyone know what the actual percentage of staffers vs teachers is, or what proportion of funding goes to each? Not just payroll, but also the office buildings for staffers vs school buildings for classrooms, etc.

Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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> "Families with resources turn to fee-required online algebra 1 courses in eighth grade, outside the public school system, or enroll their kids in private schools," Isn't this obvious result? The Russian School of Mathematics could manage to teach 10-year old kids basic algebra. And there's AOPS, there's Think Academy, and slew of local tutoring schools who can teach kids relatively advanced maths. Let alone many pr…

> in the name of equity That's the problem. We're dealing with the critical theory definition of equity, which they define as the intentional redistribution of opportunity and resources along identity group lines to correct for present and historical injustices, as well as opportunities those groups have already had. Critical theory and social justice adopts a distorted view of reality. Leave it to a school in San Fr…

It must suck to be poor but not belong to any one the correct identity groups nowadays. I am lucky I was born way before that, or I would never have be able to leave poverty.

Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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post #86

I'll be the first to admit that I'm chronically stupid, but can someone help parse the linked SFUSD's decision for me: https://www.sfusdmath.org/richard-carranzas-remarks-to-board... (it's linked in the article as the decision to push math back a year). But I'm having trouble understanding why not exposing students to a subject earlier would be better for their development with that subject. Are they supposed to abso…

They were saying they split the old 1-year course across the two new 8/9th grade courses, but added in a bunch of extra stuff to the each of the replacement courses- useful modern stuff like data analysis and statistical modeling. They were making the point of focusing on deeper understanding through real world applications instead of rote memorization, which sounds good in theory, but takes up the time that was prev…

I'm pretty sure I was too...and I did not go to an elite middle/high school by any stretch of the imagination. Also, maybe I was just lucky in my math teachers as a kid, but I can't for the life of me remember rote memorization in math for almost anything outside of maybe being forced to memorize times tables at some point.

I honestly thought memorization had been disproven to be effective eons ago.

Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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post #34

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Algebra is basic math that every adult should know in and of itself, not something that is only needed to take AP calculus.

Nobody said otherwise. It's still there in high school fwiw: https://www.sfusd.edu/learning/curriculum/high-school/mathem... This is about dropping algebra I in 8th grade which is where you need to take it in order to prep for AP exams and the SAT basically. Algebra I (8th), trig/Geometry 9th, Algebra II 10th, pre-calc/ calculus 11th, AP calc 12th. Anyway, these are all basically memorization and it is more important…

Even if they aren't taking AP Calc, starting algebra in 8th grade means they get an extra year of practice with it. What is the benefit of having less practice with algebra?
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