Go somewhere else with this, please. For the non-canadians, National Post is a rag which specializes in right-wing alarmism.
Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave
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Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave
#42Note that National Post is a very conservative publication, and as such is going to have a bias for "tough on crime" solutions. It is not surprising that this article chooses to focus on bail reform. Personally, i notice that the sudden rise in crime happened almost exactly at the same time as the fact that rents jumped out of reach for many people. The fact that the spike in random violence appeared at the same time…
Agree. In Canada,we basically have media that is universally anti-Trudeau (National Post, Toronto Sun) and media that is universally pro Trudeau (CBC, CTV, Global news, Toronto Star).
Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave
#4330 years of cuts to social safety nets, and life becoming affordable will do that. When as a country we prefer funding more policing, and less on affordable housing, healthcare, and education, we end up with a crisis like this. The fact that people act surprised is mind boggling. People have been warning about this for decades. I fear that this is only the start of a worsening trend.
Honest question here: How does poverty imply violent crime? I’ve been to impoverished areas of China and it was safer than any place in the US for example. I don’t see how when someone is struggling with poverty that will increase their probability of engaging in violence.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lol, are you saying the issue in Canada is poor people don't fear god? Btw what struck me -weird- when visiting over there, was how much the state seems to do to keep their poor citizens at bay. Disposable needle containers in the Tim Horton's bathrooms is not something I was expecting.
> Disposable needle containers in the Tim Horton's bathrooms is not something I was expecting. You do understand they have an actual purpose for some diabetic people self-administering insulin, right?
No, I hadn't thought about that, honestly I did see many shady characters on the way there so I might have come a little biased to it.
Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave
#45Canada has made a concerted effort in recent years to accelerate immigration and increase their population. I believe their population recently went up by a million in 1 year for the first time ever for example. For a smallish country, that's a massive leap. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65047436 On an individual level, I'm sure most immigrants are fine people. But there's a social cost to rapidly increasi…
Immigration is great if you have integration programs and systems in place deal with it. Canadian immigration has been rapid AND unstructured. Justin Trudeau is fond of saying we're the words first "postnational" country - we have "no national identity" - I'm a 6th generation Canadian and that idea boggles my mind.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/04/the-canada-exp...
Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave
#46Canada has made a concerted effort in recent years to accelerate immigration and increase their population. I believe their population recently went up by a million in 1 year for the first time ever for example. For a smallish country, that's a massive leap. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65047436 On an individual level, I'm sure most immigrants are fine people. But there's a social cost to rapidly increasi…
Is the excess violent crime committed by recent immigrants? The article says that the spike in violence has even affected First Nations:
In Saskatchewan, First Nations leaders are sounding the alarm on a “crisis” of on-reserve violence.Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave
#4730 years of cuts to social safety nets, and life becoming affordable will do that. When as a country we prefer funding more policing, and less on affordable housing, healthcare, and education, we end up with a crisis like this. The fact that people act surprised is mind boggling. People have been warning about this for decades. I fear that this is only the start of a worsening trend.
Honest question here: How does poverty imply violent crime? I’ve been to impoverished areas of China and it was safer than any place in the US for example. I don’t see how when someone is struggling with poverty that will increase their probability of engaging in violence.
I would not want to compare people's minds in "impoverished areas of China" to those in Canada. I think we have different composition and behavior patterns.
Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave
#48This is beyond satire, the very first line is: > Violent crime has technically been worse in Canada, Technically worse? (Is that the best kind of worse?).
I guess this is reference to Futurama :
Bureaucrat Conrad, you are technically correct - the best kind of correct. I hereby promote you to grade 37
edit: i mean parent comment is referencing Futurama, not the article.
Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave
#49How is HN falling for this again, barely 24h after the Bob Lee story showed how this forum is prone to these narratives? The very first link in the article from StatsCan is "Canada's crime rate: Two decades of decline". It says the opposite of what the NP article is quoting it for. This misquotation is followed by a series of anectodes, and backed up by the intellectual weight of... an opinion survey. The multiple of…
That link only has data until 2013. Violent crimes start trending up after 2014: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-005-x/2022001/article...
Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave
#50This is beyond satire, the very first line is: > Violent crime has technically been worse in Canada, Technically worse? (Is that the best kind of worse?).
And maybe I just missed it, but they never said whether the amount of crime was actually worse. They spent a fair bit of time on a survey where most people said they thought crime was worse. But that has never not been true, even when crime was rapidly falling.
> And maybe I just missed it, but they never said whether the amount of crime was actually worse
They literally just lied in the headline.
> They spent a fair bit of time on a survey where most people said they thought crime was worse.
The "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd care a lot about feelings when those feelings are about crime.