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Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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Post by voisin »

causi wrote: post #5
tough wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, are you saying the issue in Canada is poor people don't fear god? Btw what struck me -weird- when visiting over there, was how much the state seems to do to keep their poor citizens at bay. Disposable needle containers in the Tim Horton's bathrooms is not something I was expecting.

It's remarkably difficult to find good data comparing the "generous safety net" approach to the "tough love" approach in terms of effects on homelessness, poverty, and crime.

Tough love approach to crime I understand, but what’s the tough love approach to poverty and homelessness?

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Post by strken »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #3

This is beyond satire, the very first line is: > Violent crime has technically been worse in Canada, Technically worse? (Is that the best kind of worse?).

If violent crime had been worse before, but it was largely perpetrated by those who knew the victim, that's a very different risk profile to random attacks. If it was previously majority domestic violence, but now it's untreated mental illness and revolving door prisons, it also demands a different solution.

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Post by zawaideh »

30 years of cuts to social safety nets, and life becoming affordable will do that. When as a country we prefer funding more policing, and less on affordable housing, healthcare, and education, we end up with a crisis like this. The fact that people act surprised is mind boggling. People have been warning about this for decades.

I fear that this is only the start of a worsening trend.

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Post by revolvingocelot »

The whole west is seeing a rise in violent crime rates.

The National Post is owned by PostMedia, Canada's right-wing Borglike media conglomerate, which also owns the other major papers -- except the Toronto Star, which has only been owned by right wing businessmen since 2020.

Kinda reminds me of when American media blames the President for conditions which pertain worldwide, in that the point of the article isn't to "relate the news", it's to advance a domestic agenda; in Canada's case, "time to switch to the Blue Neoliberals so we can finish privatizing healthcare!"

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Post by voisin »

Pxtl wrote: post #8

Note that National Post is a very conservative publication, and as such is going to have a bias for "tough on crime" solutions. It is not surprising that this article chooses to focus on bail reform. Personally, i notice that the sudden rise in crime happened almost exactly at the same time as the fact that rents jumped out of reach for many people. The fact that the spike in random violence appeared at the same time…

> happened almost exactly at the same time as the fact that rents jumped out of reach for many people.

Bingo. But if you accept this as causation than fault lies in at the feet of an inept government and central bank and not the individuals stressed to the max by a society built to ensure zero social mobility and widening wealth inequality.

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Post by polygamous_bat »

tough wrote: post #4
anovikov wrote: post #2

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Lol, are you saying the issue in Canada is poor people don't fear god? Btw what struck me -weird- when visiting over there, was how much the state seems to do to keep their poor citizens at bay. Disposable needle containers in the Tim Horton's bathrooms is not something I was expecting.

> Disposable needle containers in the Tim Horton's bathrooms is not something I was expecting.

You do understand they have an actual purpose for some diabetic people self-administering insulin, right?

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Post by wussboy »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #3

This is beyond satire, the very first line is: > Violent crime has technically been worse in Canada, Technically worse? (Is that the best kind of worse?).

And maybe I just missed it, but they never said whether the amount of crime was actually worse. They spent a fair bit of time on a survey where most people said they thought crime was worse. But that has never not been true, even when crime was rapidly falling.

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Post by boeingUH60 »

anovikov wrote: post #2

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Religion has nothing to do with it. Some religious countries face the same issues (e.g., U.S.), while some do not (e.g., Saudi Arabia and UAE). It has more to do with the lack of social safety nets, inequality, rampant drug abuse, et al.

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Post by zelag »

tough wrote: post #4
anovikov wrote: post #2

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Lol, are you saying the issue in Canada is poor people don't fear god? Btw what struck me -weird- when visiting over there, was how much the state seems to do to keep their poor citizens at bay. Disposable needle containers in the Tim Horton's bathrooms is not something I was expecting.

I mean, there is some true to that. I left a Macbook Pro in public in Saudi Arabia. I came back looking for it (5 hours had passed since) and it was still there.
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